Adoption en massé

[Johnniecash]

So I played my first TW game and one thing who got me wondering was a lot, and a mean a lot, of people seemingly wanted to be adopted into my family

So what kind of guys are these? Is there any drawback in not adopting them? You think you never can have enough generals but what do I know? And of some reason I rather have a clean family tree (being modern perhaps, hehe), but i guess I have to stand out with some of them. But then I saw they could also be king of the faction, I though that would only be available to "real" familymembers?

So what´s the deal with adopted generals/men?

Oh and by the way, what can you do to boost the chanse of your male characters finding a princess / getting kids?

Cheers!

[eggthief]

Keeping ur tree clean is already impossible cause the men in it marry weman that weren't in it before, in fact u want to have a tree build on incest. The game btw has a weird way of selecting the heir, I suggest u go through the member list, look for the guy named N3rull and look at the topics that he created, cause he figured out how it works.

[The Border Reiver]

One of the things about the TW programming and family tree, is the fact you have to have family members alive to play a faction. When your family dies out, you lose.

It is simple logic, when you don't have any heirs (of age) to continue you will need to adopt so that if your current family members were to die all in one battle or siege etc, you can continue.

Here are some rules to remember:

1. You do not have to adopt
2. Look at what features that adoptee has before adopting.
3. If you don't like him, don't adopt
4. Only the heir or Faction Leader can marry a princess

Keeping ur tree clean is already impossible cause the men in it marry weman that weren't in it before

Eggtree, well isn't this what a family does to survive in the real world???

Anyway don't bother searching the forums for information on this, if you want to understand the family tree, just pay attention to the above. While it may not be flexible, it is realistic programming.

[eggthief]

Eggtree, well isn't this what a family does to survive in the real world???

What, am I the only one who had parents that somehow have known each other since "the very beginning of their childhood"?

[Strategie Gamer]

Yeah could be :hmmm:

[Johnniecash]

I don't why you started another thread about adoption therefore I'm merging this into your original thread~Harry Lime


Reading up on how the adoption works from n3eull:s research 2 questions arised within me.

The first question is if adoption always occur to the faction heir? Never the faction leader, or the comming faction leader (faction heirs adult son)?

Second question is if the faction heir has a son (not adult) and he adopt a adult general, will the son or the adopted become heir presuming the son come up to adult age before the faction leaders die?

The second question might be answered from n3eull stating the oldest male descendant become the heir.
However this would result in the adopted nearly always becoming faction heir due to being typically older then his "brothers". This means adopted have a much higher chanse becoming faction heir/leader then "real blood" sons. Which leads to the first question, where you could go around this by having the real blood son selected heir and then the father adopted a guy. However it seems it´s always the heir who adopt.

So any thought´s or answers to this geneaology mess?

[Korlon]

The system doesn't seem to recognize those of pure blood and those who are adopted, so if the adopted child is the oldest, he would be the heir.

I don't understand your first question. Do you mean those adoption messages that pop up all the time if you have very low amounts of family members? I'm not exactly sure.

[Johnniecash]

Well I think of experience I know the answer of the first question. But what I was asking was if the adoption possibilty always occur to the faction heir. In other words, if you click yes to the adoption event, the adopted will be a son of the faction heir. I´ve yet to see another then the faction heir gaining the option to adopt.

Although other family members have been asked to adopt but only under the circumstances where your faction heirs son is underage and the next in line should the heir die is another family member.

But as been said before, I´m not completely sure on the subject so feel free to enlighten me.

[pwijnands]

Is there any drawback in not adopting them?

Oh and by the way, what can you do to boost the chanse of your male characters finding a princess / getting kids?

1. I don't know of any drawbacks in not adopting them. But they do have a drawback themselves as adopting someone into the family pisses off existing family members a bit. There are several trait triggers that deal with this and all give bad traits (Anger, Arse, Corrupt, Slothful, Girls, Gambling, ExpensiveTastes, Disloyal, Unjust, Paranoia, HarshRuler), although the chances aren't very high (between 4 and 10 percent chance).

2. If you have a high charm princess and an unmarried general in your faction who you want to have kids, you can marry your own princess to your own general. If a character marries a high-charm princess he can get some traits that add to his fertility, meaning a bigger chance of kids.

[Quixote]

When deciding to adopt or not I always look to the loyalty of the general. Dread/Chivalry and Command can always be gained on the battlefield but there is nothing worse than adopting a low loyalty general, giving him a stack of decent units to work with, and then having him desert your cause. You just lost the stack and have a renegade army in your lands with a general!!

To me the loyalty is important enough that I will even refuse marriage to princesses of low loyalty generals.

[LlamaD]

Adopton questions come up when u have (and as long as) more regions than generals + male children.

It wouldn't make sense to be adopted by the Faction leader if there is a present heir left, since the adopted could make a claim for beeing heir and this normaly pisses the original heir of. Do i smell a civil war ?

However, if your heir died and you have only the faction leader left, he becomes the beneficiary.

I'm not sure, but i believe i've seen other sons of the faction leader having adoptions, too. Nevermind...

If u want to get rid of the unwanted generals, you can let em die in numerous ways... battlefield....shipped at pirates...etc.

if u want to get children from your heir, u have to reduce the number of running-around-princesses. They count as family members in the region-vs-general-numbers-check, because they hold the possibilty for getting married and having children.

That should help.