PRO DEO ET REGE Faction Research Thread: Serbia

[Socal_infidel]

Serbia (Duklja/Raška) : Research Thread

This thread is dedicated to discussion of the medieval Serbian state. Historically, the state founded by Stefan Nemanja did not exist at the start-date of PDER (ca. 1080 AD). However, the Kingdom of Duklja did exist at the start-date.

In the interest of having a playable Serbian faction from the outset without having to resort to an emerging faction, it is planned for the Kingdom of Duklja to "evolve" into Raška through a reform-like event. This reform will take advantage of Kingdom's ability to have a faction change religion. So the predominantly Catholic Kingdom of Duklja will change into Orthodox state of Raška.

I have two ways in mind for this to take place:

1] If you have a ruler in place by
A] a certain date;
B] with Orthodox trait;
C] pro-Raška trait; and
D] control province of Ras, then you are given the option to "become" Raška.

2] Otherwise, you just wait for a certain date (whichever comes sooner).

This is obviously a historical compromise, but it is aimed at providing increased conflict amongst factions in the Balkans akin to the Anatolian theatre of conflict in PDER 1.0.

Cheers...

s_i

Reference Links:
Medieval Lands - Serbia
Regnal Chronologies - Serbia
Balkan Military History - Medieval Serbia
DBA Resources - Later Serbians
Painted Armies of DBA Online - Early Serbian
Painted Armies of DBA Online - Later Serbian

[Lord_Phan]

There is a trigger to change a factions name and flag aswell as religion. Don't ask me how, as I messed up the only time I tried it. But it is there.

[Socal_infidel]

There is a trigger to change a factions name and flag aswell as religion. Don't ask me how, as I messed up the only time I tried it. But it is there.

Really? I thought you couldn't actually change the names of a faction. And the changing COA requires a faction slot. So not likely I'll waste a faction slot on that...nice as it'd be...

[Socal_infidel]

Reference Material for Later - Era Serbian Infantry:

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[Ahiga]

DBM Lists for Early Serbia & Later Serbia:

Early Serbia


Later Serbia



Impressions I gather:

• Serbs wielded bow and lance from horseback, but from the earliest period were known more famously for a powerful charge. Abandoned the bow in the 14th century
• Steady access to ambushing archers and skirmishers.
• I remember reading elsewhere that Croatians were influenced more by the West than the Serbs, who were more Byzantine inspired.

[VirusITA]

Great choice Rob! You're the best modder out there!

[hylander25k]

Reference Material for Later - Era Serbian Infantry:

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I see these awesome illustrations everywhere, and I have been looking for years for a book with all the diagrams and plate pictures of medieval knights and such. Can someone tell me what book/series these are from? Sorry for the off topic...

[Lord_Phan]

Really? I thought you couldn't actually change the names of a faction. And the changing COA requires a faction slot. So not likely I'll waste a faction slot on that...nice as it'd be...

Been along time since I checked the triggers, went back and I think you're absolutely right. You can change the banners but not the name. You do need a faction slot to do it yeah, if none to waste then that's that.

[Icefrisco]

Good faction choice Socal! Serbia will be a great addition to the mod.

[recordable1233]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...bia_A_1097.jpg
Here is a map of Raska in 1097.Maybe you can make a use of it.

[Socal_infidel]

Uh, so yeah...back to work for me, I guess...just some random base models for my Serb faction. These are lower level types. Likely to be used as Javelinmen & Archers.

Serbian Base Model #1:

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Serbian Base Model #2:

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Still works in progress...but at least it's work...and at least there's progress, eh?

I've done up some early Serb Nobles and some High-Era Nobles, too. Need to refine them. As well as Voynuk Spearmen and Bowmen.

Regards!

[\Vazul's Ghost/]

Nice. The first one's moustache makes him look like a Serbian fellow I know actually (Don't hurt me Nem)
Its always good to see progress with this excellent mod.

[Socal_infidel]

Thanks. Worked on some more Serb units over the weekend.

Based some on these pics I found.

[Matthæus]

nice indeed. unfortunately it is a problem to find a good pictures of medieval Serbian warriors. so every little image counts. we had a rough time when making a serbian roster for Tsardoms mod.

[Socal_infidel]

Serbian Vlastela Cavalry (available late 12th century) - armed with bow and lance

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Serbian upgraded Vlastela Cavalry (available mid 14th century) - armed with lance and sword

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[firekiller]

Excellent you make the waiting on 2.0 even harder now best mod out atm indeed

[Socal_infidel]

Serbian Early Nobles (available until late 12th century)

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Thanks to madtao for elements of scale leather texture.

[AnthoniusII]

This man's work (Socal_infidel)makes us all most huppy!

[Matthæus]

and he works fast...
maybe you could remove the spike from the top of the helmet on last units (nobles and vlastela).

[Socal_infidel]

and he works fast...
maybe you could remove the spike from the top of the helmet on last units (nobles and vlastela).

I did take a summer hiatus away from modding...so I don't work that fast.

Will remove the spikes. Wasn't sure whether to leave them or not. Thanks!