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    Default I support McCain AND Obama.

    I seriously would be happy with either of these guys as my President, so long as we don't have to deal with Hillary. Both of them have their merits, and I think either one of them COULD do a credible job in the White House.

    Before people begin to question my sanity, let me explain that I like each of these two for different reasons. I feel that McCain would be a better wartime president and that he has strong principles which he, for the most part, sticks to very well. I can definitely respect a principled person, even if I do not believe in some of those principles. McCain is also decidedly more free trade, which is good because I see no benefits in utilizing protectionism to prop up already-failing industries when re-training those workers for new, different jobs is much more cost-effective.
    On the other hand, I feel that Obama is great and inspiring speaker, something which has been decidedly lacking in our past few presidents. Speechmaking is one of the key features of the presidency, and someone who can do that well has a good chance of being a successful President. Obama is a relative newcomer in Washington, and such a breath of fresh air can be useful every once in a while over there. Obama is also more likely to prevent Roe v. Wade (a constitutionally muddy decision, but the only one we've got right now) from being overturned via his appointees, and prevent there from being any chance of a federal ban on gay marriage.

    All of this said, there is still plenty of room for either of them to completely screw up as President (Obama going too far with his anti-corporate messages, McCain failing to withdraw from Iraq at the right moment or permitting another strong political lurch to the right). However, this is a risk with any person placed in our highest office, and I am still quite interested to see who comes out on top. Either one of these two will make me happy, even if it is in different ways.

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    I agree with you completely.
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    Strong speakers and actors are not necessarily strong workhorses, as history shows.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    But good oratorical skill does not rule someone out as a good leader, as history also shows.

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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    Isn;t that a Paradox? Obama and McCain, are nothing alike to my understanding?

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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    As stated, I like each one for different reasons. I am mostly in favor of liberal social policies, but at the same time I am also pro-free trade and pro-fiscal restraint, so my issues straddle the political parties.

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    I disagree with you, I think both of them are too radical. I dont like Obama because he wants to spend another 270 Billion on various projects. That is an immediate turnoff to me. I dont like McCain because he also will increase spending, but only by 6 Billion. The main reason is his stance on terrorism and the interventionist foreign policy he advocates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twfan55 View Post
    I disagree with you, I think both of them are too radical. I dont like Obama because he wants to spend another 270 Billion on various projects. That is an immediate turnoff to me. I dont like McCain because he also will increase spending, but only by 6 Billion. The main reason is his stance on terrorism and the interventionist foreign policy he advocates.
    You think they are too radical, and you support/ed Ron Paul?
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    You think they are too radical, and you support/ed Ron Paul?

    I dont see Ron Paul as radical. What he says makes sense. We have seen liberalism and neoconservatism. They dont work very well. Its time to go back to Constitutional Government.


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    I like them both too, although I go a bit more for PObama, probaly because I was raised a Dem.
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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    As was I. It was almost unavoidable, considering that I was raised in Burlington, Vermont (a rather liberal city to be sure). TWfan, I'm not sure that increased spending equals radicalism, but I would say at any rate that those spending proposals should be measured by where they are going and where the money is coming from, not just by how big the numbers are.

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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    I'm actually leaning more on McCain's side, but I'm still not sure. Hillary Clinton is someone I may not vote for sure. It seems that not too many of the Republicans are popular now. The media seems to actually prefer the Democrats, from what I've seen of their portrayal on the news.


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    I dislike both McCain and Obama. I personally am hoping that maybe Wayne Root, the leading Libertarian will win: http://www.rootforamerica.com/

    *I, in no way shape or form endorse the Libertarian ideology, it is crazy, and anarchist, I only support Root because he will be able to hopefully bring down the collectivist state that has arisen. It is for that reason why I endorse, man not Ideology. Root for president of the United $tates.*
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    i dont supprt those guys

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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    McCain admits he knows nothing about economy. So why would anyone vote for him again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    McCain admits he knows nothing about economy. So why would anyone vote for him again?
    Because he's not a Liberal sent by Satan to rape Americans money?










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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    To be honest, as an outsider I'd be fairly happy with any of the three of them. They're all intelligent, hard-working people.

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    He's much better than Hillbilly.
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    I agree with you completely. While I must vote for John McCain because of his social conservatism and realist foreign policy, I can't help but admiring Obama. Excellent point. So long as we need not spend 4 years with Billary in the White House.

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    Default Re: I support McCain AND Obama.

    I agree with you completely. I'm going to follow your example and support two people with completely contradicting opinions. Thats why I have donated money to the Rick Santorum 2012 campaign and the Clinton '08 campaign. Should I care if one is against women's rights and one isnt? No, its their message that counts.
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