The USA Presidential Candidates Debate Thread

[HorseArcher]

Unfortunately I couldn't merge the democratic/republican threads, because moderators cannot strip off a poll from a thread and one overrides another and the poll closes as soon as the thread closed and cannot be re opened.

So there is the new Poll up, according to the current situation.

Discuss anything /post news about the current state of the race, both Republican and Democratic sides.

The previous threads can be accessed by clicking here (all) :

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...144528&page=34

[Exarch]

i pray to the almighty FSM that hilary clinton never becomes president of the usa. she would make a horrible president.
how is it that she's come close to winning thus far?

[Cincinattus]

how is it that she's come close to winning thus far?

Through shameless exploitation of Americans' ignorance and apathy.

[Farnan]

Do I really need to say who I support?

[lord o kelly]

Im on the Mac-train.

[Cincinattus]

Im on the Mac-train.

Woot-Woot!

This thread is eerily free of opposition...it's like the calm before the storm, or rather the eye of the storm. Soon the Clinton and Obama and Paul and Nader and Farrakahn (jk) supporters will show up and this thread will turn into the train wreck it is doomed to become...

But for now, this is nice

[Kscott]

I was a staunch Obama fan and to some extent still am, but it is becoming pretty obvious, Hillary needs the nomination. She has won in all the swing states and does better with swing demographics. I cannot see very many Obama voters ever going Republican, but Hillary supporters could very easily go to McCain.

Hillary with Obama as VP is simply the best ticket. Then if they have a successful eight years Obama will be in the perfect position to run with more experience. Of course that is far into the future, but Dems need to start thinking about the future, that is where the Republicans have been killing us.

[Exarch]

hilary clinton as president?
does america want to remain strong or does it want to be continually butt raped by russia, EU, and china?
a president who breaks down crying is worth ****.
at least obama will bring a freshness to the office ala jfk

[HorseArcher]

I was a staunch Obama fan and to some extent still am, but it is becoming pretty obvious, Hillary needs the nomination. She has won in all the swing states

The "swing" states? Delegation count matter and popular vote and she isn't winning those...

and does better with swing demographics.

Come on Scott, she doesn't do better with demographics. She gets 12% of the black vote, 55% of hispanics and around 52% of whites, while Obama gets 88% of blacks, 45% of hispanics and 48% of whites...tells me that they are almost on the same page, with the exception of the so called "black vote" going for Obama, can't blame them, they think that Obama might be the first "colored" president in US history.

I cannot see very many Obama voters ever going Republican, but Hillary supporters could very easily go to McCain.
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Hillary supporters voting for McCain? Well if they really hate Obama they might do it out of revenge (and that's stupid, that's not choosing a side but idolizing a single nominee like "if he/she isn't, then no one) , but those who democrats who just sit on the left , they would go with any democrat as long as it's a democratic nominee, they won't switch over the the Republican side, otherwise they aren't even real democrats.

I'm actually more afraid, that if Obama doesn't win, many swingers (idolization again) go for McCain because the Obama campaigners are loathing Hillary for her continuous smears and dirty tactics thrown into this race, but most likely, they just going to sit the whole election out, not voting at all.

[HorseArcher]

Ok, watch this video if you got a minute...regardless what you believe, common sense is not dictated by political affiliation:

Obama rejects being Clinton's No. 2
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...ml#cnnSTCVideo

[The Good]

I'm still undecided. If Huckabee even stood a chance, I would have voted for him, but seeing as he basically lost the election, I won't. I can't in good conscience vote for Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton, and I'll have to do more research on John McCain, as I lack information regarding his policies. I guess there really isn't a candidate even close to being perfect. They all have their ups and downs, pros and cons. With time though, I'll see.

[Oldgamer]

I'm still undecided. If Huckabee even stood a chance, I would have voted for him, but seeing as he basically lost the election, I won't. I can't in good conscience vote for Barack Obama, or Hillary Clinton, and I'll have to do more research on John McCain, as I lack information regarding his policies. I guess there really isn't a candidate even close to being perfect. They all have their ups and downs, pros and cons. With time though, I'll see.

Lucius, you have no one else to vote for, other than McCain. Obama and Clinton stand against everything you are for.

Interestingly enough, Obama was baptized into a church ... not a Bible-believing church, mind you (and whose pastor is a Marxist) ... shortly before he started his political career. A convenient baptism, into a church that doesn't make any theological demands of its members, in the most Catholic city in America.

Hillary Clinton purposely chose the Yale Law School, when she finished at Wellesley, because the school was the most radical law school in the nation. A disciple of Saul Alinsky (Marxist radical in Chicago), she spent her early law career working for a Marxist law firm, defending the Black Panther Party. Does this establish something of a pattern with you?

Don't let anyone tell you that Hillary is a "Centrist". The entire Centrist position was created so that liberals, socialists, and hardcore Marxists could run for public office, hiding their real beliefs from voters who would not otherwise vote for them.

John McCain is not a perfect candidate for you. He is not an evangelical, to be sure (he's Episcopalian). But the man is rated well on abortion by the National Right to Life Committee, and 82% lifetime on conservatism by the American Conservative Union. And there is no doubting his courage, given his war record.

I don't really think you have another choice. Please don't go "Third Party". They always lose. Your vote will be wasted.

@drtad
Did you ever think where McCain might have gotten that bulge, on the side of his face? Or why he can't raise his arms above his shoulders? Or why he stands ramrod straight?

[Kscott]

Interestingly enough, Obama was baptized into a church ... not a Bible-believing church, mind you (and whose pastor is a Marxist) ... shortly before he started his political career. A convenient baptism, into a church that doesn't make any theological demands of its members, in the most Catholic city in America.

So Obama is a bad Christian too? It is this type of thing that would kill Obama in a general election, but is absolutely ridiculous.

Hillary Clinton purposely chose the Yale Law School, when she finished at Wellesley, because the school was the most radical law school in the nation.

Or perhaps because it is Yale? Yale is pretty widely regarded as one of the best places in the U.S to receive an education, ESPECIALLY Yale law.

Don't let anyone tell you that Hillary is a "Centrist". The entire Centrist position was created so that liberals, socialists, and hardcore Marxists could run for public office, hiding their real beliefs from voters who would not otherwise vote for them.

Oh please. The last Clinton did something that used to be what was really important to conservatives, fiscal responsibility. Hillary is anything but a radical. Yes she has always advocated health care reform, but that is a LONG stretch from communism. You have every right to vote for who you want and to try and get Lucius to vote for your candidate, but all of this is nothing short of Republican propaganda. Hillary is not a Marxist nor does she have Marxist leanings. Very few in the Democratic Party are. Only in the minds of the Republicans....

[Lozza12]

Interesting, is it a given that most US gamers are Republicans or do Dem voters not respond to these kinds of Polls?

It always amuses me that some Americans, often Republican ones, think anything left of Far Right Wing is Communist or Marxist. For instance, terrible taunts such as "Socialised Health Care" are made to describe any system that doesn't involve paying massive premiums to private health care companies. From a policy perspective, all this achieves is to cancel out a range of possible options from rational and reasoned consideration.

So Hillary Clinton once worked for a law firm that defended the Black Panthers. This was when exactly - 1972? I'm sure that John McCain once kicked a puppy, or that G Bush (the Younger) once declared war without the consent of Congress. These things need to be put in perspective.

As someone who admires the US but is on the outside, I couldnt think of anything worse than 4 more years of unimaginative, painfully Right Wing policies that will see the US slip further off the international stage. This is what McCain and Republicanism in general has to offer if alternative ideas are always purged from consideration. What the US needs is 20+ years of consistent, intelligent leadership that work towards strengthening your domestic economy, improving your standing in international affairs, and building the world's most effective and admired 21st century state.

Clinton, Obama, and Huckabee could well offer this hope but 4 more years of narrow-minded thinking, aggression, and domestic decay under someone like a Bush or a McCain will doom you good people to irrelevance.

Cheers,

Lozza12

[Drtad]

Anybody but John McCain. That bulge on the side of his face is annoying and he doesn't think his policies thoroughly.

[C.M.]

All candidates are horrible. America needs to make this man President

[The Good]

All candidates are horrible. America needs to make this man President

Is that Col. Irving Lambert?

[Farnan]

Umm...

McCain is not far right wing...

Actually the Far Right hate him.

[Kscott]

Umm...

McCain is not far right wing...

Actually the Far Right hate him.

But he is essentially more of the same ideology that has brought us a lot of issues under the Bush administration.

[Matty_P]

I'm voting for Nader is Hillary doesn't get the nod!

HILLARY 2008!!