Roman Reforms Bug

**devdev142** · March 09, 2008, 06:59 PM

Well Ive been looking here on the forum and it seems that some people can't get the Reforms as the Romani. How exactly do you fix that?

I remember reading about carthage and markers.

**King Arthur** · March 09, 2008, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by devdev142

Well Ive been looking here on the forum and it seems that some people can't get the Reforms as the Romani. How exactly do you fix that?

I remember reading about carthage and markers.

What type of reform are you refering too? The Romani have 3 types, Polybian, Marian & Imperial.....

I'm playing the Romani at present and have achieved the conditions for the Polybian. Have you the read the FAQ:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=97258

This will explain the 'markers' for the reforms.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · March 09, 2008, 08:03 PM

Remember to turn on the script every time you start a new game or load a save game.

Once you get the reforms, you have to upgrade you MICs/barracks one level before you'll get new units.

**QuintusSertorius** · March 09, 2008, 08:04 PM

Indeed I've had the Polybian reforms in one game (happened bang on 242 BC, given I had all four settlements required). Haven't played long enough to see the Marian or Imperial ones.

**devdev142** · March 12, 2008, 03:21 PM

I believe the one with the bug is the Marius Reforms

**QuintusSertorius** · March 12, 2008, 05:19 PM

Did you install the permanent fixes before starting your game?

**johnhughthom** · March 12, 2008, 06:41 PM

Is there an actual bug, or are people just struggling to get a character with the required traits?

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · March 13, 2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Is there an actual bug, or are people just struggling to get a character with the required traits?

There isn't a bug.
There used to be a bug with getting a guy who could trigger the Imperial Reforms, but that was fixed before the v1.0 release.

**Papal_Knight** · March 14, 2008, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Is there an actual bug, or are people just struggling to get a character with the required traits?

<raises hand>

heh. as long as you install all the permanent fixes, there is no marian reform bug. most people are just having a bugger of a time jumping through all the hoops with a character suitable to trigger the reforms.

it's a beeeotch for sure.

EDIT: FWIW, I think 90 provinces for an automatic trigger is just dumb. is the outcome of the game in doubt if the human player controls 90 provinces? hardly. it should have a drop-dead time date for triggering, period. this is especially so in a mod like this, where so many people play the barbarian factions (or others besides Roman), and it's the kind of thing that the game is sort of a waste of time if you don't have a powerful, expanding rome. I mean, it's just common sense fellas.

**QuintusSertorius** · March 12, 2008, 06:55 PM

How many settlements would you have in 110BC if you were sticking to historical expansion? Enough to automatically trigger the reform?

You'd have something like:
Italy south of the Alps
Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, and the Balaerics
The Illyrian coast, most of Greece and Makedonia
A big swathe of Spain
North Africa
A chunk of Asia Minor
Some assorted Islands like Rhodes and maybe Crete

Surely that's about 90?

**QuintusSertorius** · March 14, 2008, 02:06 PM

I have to agree that a time trigger (something nice and late, like 90BC) would be more appropriate.

**Rob2984** · March 15, 2008, 02:29 PM

I think that the time triggers should actually be taken out. I get why they are in, as part of the commitment to historical accuracy that this mod is so very, very good for, but by playing the games we are changing history... these reforms didn't come about because it was a certain date (the Roman ones here, anyway), they came about because of the expansion of the Republic. The Polybian reforms, for example, came about from a result of the First Punic War and the expansion into Italian Gaul, so why then also force players to wait? I'm currently playing my 2nd Roman game at the moment, and even now, playing much slower than before (and enjoying the game far more for it), I've conquered most of Italian Gaul (though not all), Corsica, Sardinia and Sicily and it's only 251bc. Surely it would make more sense if the reforms were based upon expansion and having the required characters, as that is what really prompted them?

**Papal_Knight** · March 15, 2008, 04:38 PM

maybe. maybe. but for an AI Romani, they should be time triggered. otherwise the AI Romani player is a joke.

**Ludens** · March 16, 2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rob2984

Surely it would make more sense if the reforms were based upon expansion and having the required characters, as that is what really prompted them?

The reason the EB team gives for the date restrictions of the reforms is that the social change required for a reform takes time. However, the reforms can (and will, if the player is playing the Romans) occur earlier than in history.

**thelord** · March 16, 2008, 09:57 AM

im up to 139 BC on my romani save and i got the marian reforms at around 150 BC, worked just as i says in the FAQ, i had the fixes installed aswell.

I am sticking roughly to historical expansion, so i have all of italy, spain, carthage, greece and macedonia, around 50 provinces and i am just about to invade asia minor.

**QuintusSertorius** · March 15, 2008, 06:25 PM

I got the Polybian reforms in 240BC, but didn't enact them until the 220s BC. I've been sticking to historical expansion, and having things time-linked is very appropriate.

In my game it's 215BC and I've now got Italy south of the Alps, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica and the two Illyrian coastal provinces and more recently the inland one. Planning my invasion force for Spain.