historical portraits for 58BC

[Salvor Hardin]

All hail the great artist! Thanks a lot for your great job with the portraits And to Kozak for providing them to us.

[L7c]

Salvor Hardin

 
All hail the great artist! Thanks a lot for your great job with the portraits :goodjob: And to Kozak for providing them to us.

Thank you very much

Also many thanks to my friend Kozak, for that helped to lay out here portraits and links

[Octavius Vatco]

might foound a good one here...
http://images.google.com.ph/imgres?i...%3Den%26sa%3DN

[L7c]

Octavius Vatco

might foound a good one here...

It is necessary to make a new portrait of Augustus?

[Octavius Vatco]

not really.. i just got addicted to the fun of searching...

[L7c]

Octavius Vatco

not really.. i just got addicted to the fun of searching...

Clearly

And in general still it is necessary to make any new portraits? For example, for the future mod Marius - Sulla?

[Empedocles]

Octavius Vatco

Clearly

And in general still it is necessary to make any new portraits? For example, for the future mod Marius - Sulla?

well.. any input will be more than appreciated if you move your search for portraits to the period of 107-78bc.....

[Octavius Vatco]

ok... im going to searh for people in this period.... now Where is Cornelius Cinna??

[bucellarii]

Jugurtha would be a good starting point...

Jugurtha's year of birth is unknown, although he is commonly believed to have been born sometime around 160 BCE. This would make Jugurtha 53 at the start of the Mod.

The most famous image of Jugurtha, although lacking detail, is the denarius of Faustus Cornelius Sulla:

http://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=76530

Please note the beard which Crawford in his monumental study Roman Republican Coinage accepts as characterising Jugurtha

It is possible that in his younger life Jugurtha adopted the Roman custom of shaving, as accepted by Duane W. Roller in The World of Juba II and Kleopatra Selene .

The basis of this view is the coin at Figure 396:

http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/numidia.html

Although I'm uncertain about the provenance of this coin Jean Mazard's Corpus Nummorum Numidiae Mauretaniaeque attests to it. However perhaps for our period, the balance of probability suggests a bearded Jugurtha?

A generic (bearded?) Bocchus I would also be useful. Bocchus' age is unknown, but it is not unreasonable to place him in the same age bracket as Jugurtha.

I am likely to be off-line for a bit but will suggest a few more Roman characters in due course.....

In the meantime a young Lucius Licinius Lucullus, who served in the Bellum Marsicum under Sulla and as quastor, was the only officer to support his march on Rome, might be a nice addition:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=W...um=5&ct=result

Cheers buddy!

EDIT:

Another useful link, which includes coins possibly depicting Adherbal, Micipsa and Juba I

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/numidia/t.html

Perhaps useful for some creative inspiration?

[Octavius Vatco]

how about this one? it says Jugurtha..


or this one?


or this one?

[Octavius Vatco]

This one is supposed to be Lucius Cornelius Cinna, Marius' supporters and Caesar's father in law.

http://images.google.com.ph/imgres?i...%3D2%26hl%3Den

[Octavius Vatco]

Pompey but this one seems older, should be for 58



Maybe this one?

[Octavius Vatco]

all i could find for Lucullus is this one

[Octavius Vatco]

Teuton chief Teutoroch

[Octavius Vatco]

Bocchus?

[L7c]

Jugurtha is ready

Sample






Archive TGA is here http://files.filefront.com/Jugurtha+.../fileinfo.html

[bucellarii]

Hey buddy!

One or two of your nice finds don't appear to have come out correctly - the dreaded red cross....

The posted images of Jugurtha are inspired by the coin Mazard believes represents the Numidian King in Corpus Nummorum Numidiae Mauretaniaeque i.e Fig 396 in the link provided.

However the denarius of Faustus Cornelius Sulla depicts Jugurtha with a beard.

Without any evidence to support my hunch (because none exists ) I rather fancy the former clean shaven friend of Rome sported a beard by the time he directed the guerrilla campaign against Metellus and Marius.

As ever with this type of discussion all we are left with is a large dollop of guesswork

EDIT: L7c was too quick off of the mark!

Nice work! However because the work closely follows the idealized portraits above, the Jugurtha depicted here appears rather more Romanized that the native Numidian leader he was in reality

[L7c]

It is necessary to change clothes of it?
As to a beard, let it will be as on a coin so it is more recognized.

[Octavius Vatco]

L7c could make some majic?
add a beard to the already done portrait?

[bucellarii]

The portraits of kings on ancient coins are often idealized rather than veristic, the imagery designed to project a particular propagandist message. The Mithridatic coinage issued in emulation of Alexander, suggestive of a great king coming to liberate the Asiatic Greeks is one such example.

Moreover I'm not even certain there is universal agreement about the silver coin which Mazard believes depicts Jugurtha. However my knowledge of numismatics is admitedly very poor

Perhaps a more sun kissed flesh tone will add a touch greater verisimilitude to another excellent piece of work