historical portraits for 58BC

**Kozak** · August 01, 2008, 12:35 PM

Cassivelanus

TGA archive http://files.filefront.com/Cassivela.../fileinfo.html

**L7c** · August 28, 2008, 07:57 AM

Greetings to all

Quinctilius Varus

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Is this Cato the Elder ? He had red hair !

It is portrait of Cato Younger. What color at him hair - I do not know.
By the way, I have specially “dressed” him in a black toga without tunic. His this feature have well noticed in a serial "Rome"

Excuse me for my bad English

**Octavius Vatco** · August 28, 2008, 08:05 AM

Hey..... LC7... its the person himself.... welcome........

**L7c** · August 28, 2008, 08:14 AM

Octavius Vatco

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Hey..... LC7... its the person himself.... welcome........

Yes, I too shall be here

Thanks

**Octavius Vatco** · March 13, 2011, 07:28 AM

Kozak...Greetings.. Are you still here? If may, I would like ask a Favor.
Im doing a school project... powerpoint... Im going to make the battle of Pharsalus and Im wondering if you can do this portrait for me?

please if ok, its ok if busy..

**Kozak** · March 19, 2011, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Octavius Vatco

Kozak...Greetings.. Are you still here? If may, I would like ask a Favor.
Im doing a school project... powerpoint... Im going to make the battle of Pharsalus and Im wondering if you can do this portrait for me?

Hi!
Author of this portraits is comrade L7c. I'm only his promouter

I inform L7c.

**Kozak** · March 19, 2011, 05:20 PM

Octavius

thats for you:

Maybe, you want to have portraits like in mod - young - middle-age - old?

...

**Salvor Hardin** · August 01, 2008, 04:51 PM

Absolutely great! I guess we will have to make a patch to add the last portraits. They really deserve it!

**Octavius Vatco** · August 02, 2008, 12:19 AM

Wow...

**bucellarii** · August 02, 2008, 01:26 AM

**Empedocles** · August 02, 2008, 11:57 AM

I have unsticked this post since most of the portraits are included in the new version of 58BC. which can be found here:

F.R.R.E CD ROM

**Kozak** · August 03, 2008, 10:47 AM

Some mistakes in 77 BC:

Sertorius have vanilla portrait, but his portrait haves now Gaius Cassius Longinus

Portrait of Pompeus have two persons: Pompeus and Quintus Lutatius Catulus

**Kozak** · August 03, 2008, 10:49 AM

I started to work to translate 77ВC to russian language:

Translated text of scripted missions in 77 BC
http://files.filefront.com/export+advicetx...;/fileinfo.html

**Salvor Hardin** · August 03, 2008, 01:46 PM

Hey, Kozak. It is really curious as I tested it. The only thing that comes to my mind is that when I deleted the map.rwm file, the game assigned another portrait to Sertorius. Anyway, I will give a look at it and try to fix it in the next patch.

Concerning two characters having the same portrait, I am afraid that this is unavoidable. In fact, the portrait of Tigran is also assigned to a Parthian governor (in Carmania, if I remember correctly). If we had based the mod on Alexander TW there would not be these kind of problems. But, of course, we would be missing another features, like the hordes.

Good luck with the translations!

**Kozak** · August 07, 2008, 01:09 PM

In the 77BC used new portrait of Caesar, but in 58BC uses a old portrait

Old

New

if you more like the new portrait, you can replace this portrait in 58BC

Just download from

http://files.filefront.com/Caesar+TG.../fileinfo.html

and locate the folder "Portraits" from archive with new Caesar in ....Rome - Total War\58bc\data\ui\roman

**Octavius Vatco** · August 07, 2008, 01:23 PM

I combined the old and the new one.

I use the new for the younger years of Caesar and then the older one from the old portrait.

To portray that he was not that bald when he was in his 40's
thought he was going bald but sources say that he comb his hair to the front so he could hide it. and then during the civil wars, when he was already in his 50's, the old portrait would be apropriate.

Younger

Then older

**Salvor Hardin** · August 07, 2008, 01:33 PM

Hey, Octavius. As we had two portraits, both of them superb, I decided to use both of them. But I like your combination too

**Quinctilius Varus** · August 20, 2008, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Kozak

Cato

Is this Cato the Elder ? He had red hair !

Red-haired, snapper and biter, his grey eyes flashing defiance, Porcius, come to the shades, back will be thrust by their Queen.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...to_Major*.html

**bucellarii** · August 20, 2008, 10:34 AM

Cato Censorius (or as you say, the Elder) lived 234 -149 BCE.

Plutarch does indeed write:

As for his outward appearance, he had reddish hair, and keen grey eyes

However this is a portrait of Cato Uticensis, the great-grandson of Cato Censorius, whose hair colour I believe, like most figures in Roman history is entirely unknown to us; although Dante (doubtless inspired by Plutarch 53.1) writes in the Divine Comedy:

I saw close by me a solitary old man, worthy, by his appearance, of so much reverence that never son owed father more. Long was his beard and mixed with white hair, similar to the hairs of his head

**Empedocles** · August 20, 2008, 12:55 PM

I always wondered how does bucelarii manage to get so exact quotes in so little time...
I believe if we ask him to describe the regular food that the gauls had during the siege of Alesia he will tell us exactly the ingredients....

does he have a catalogued set of quotes with millions of tags?
is he a reincarnation of Plutarch, Cassius dio, Edward Gibbons and Aristoteles?

questions... so many questions...