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    Default Battle AI is Awful

    Like the title said: the (defending) battle AI is awful.

    When I attack an enemy on the stratmap, the battle AI defends by just sitting in one place.

    I send in my archers and shoot them to bits ( I use unlimited ammo), with them just standing there. Then one of two things happens: they all die or they mount a half-hearted charge.

    If they charge, they usually engage in hand-to-hand for a few seconds before sending all their units running to the red boundary. Note: their units haven't routed they have just ordered a withdrawal. I then am forced to watch them run away or snap at their heels with cavalry.

    FFS I want an epic bloody battle; massive lines clashing in hand-to-hand.

    I am running EB using the ALX executable.

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    This is a joke, right? You use unlimited ammunition against a defending enemy - a situation where tactically they should grab superior ground and stay put - and you wonder what is terrible about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abou View Post
    This is a joke, right? You use unlimited ammunition against a defending enemy - a situation where tactically they should grab superior ground and stay put - and you wonder what is terrible about it?
    But I don't want them to stay put. I want them to clash with me. Is there a way to mod the AI?

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    If they are too weak they'd withdraw after seeing your army. They're not that stupid......
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    Why are you using unlimited ammo? Especially on a realism mod. If you want to have bloody, epic battles you are going to have to play realistic. Attack their front line, have your army made up of mostly infantry with some cavalry. Let your enemy attack you first. And battle AI can not be modded.

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    Couldn't help smiling when I read the first post, Unlimited ammo can make you invincible if you use you missile troops wisely. As long as you've got a few good mobile supporting units and you are able to maintain your distance you can shoot any army to pieces. When I play as the Parthians (mounted archers) I rarely lose a unit. I find them so efficient it can get boring and thats "with" limited ammo. My advice is to drop the unlimited ammo and challenge yourself.
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    If you want interesting battles, don't use unlimited ammo.

    And don't attack the enemy with an army much larger than theirs, otherwise it will either be a walkover or the enemy will withdraw.

    You have to give the AI a chance to win if you want to enjoy R:TW.

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    The battle A.I. itself cannot be modded, although you can improve the formation it uses to give it a performance boot. Have a look at the battle formation mods in this topic. Don't expect miracles, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai! View Post
    I send in my archers and shoot them to bits ( I use unlimited ammo), with them just standing there. Then one of two things happens: they all die or they mount a half-hearted charge.
    Therein lies your problem. What's the point in playing a mod which aims for realism if you're using an unrealistic setting?

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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    Quote Originally Posted by Banzai! View Post
    FFS I want an epic bloody battle; massive lines clashing in hand-to-hand.
    U wont get that either with the rtw engine.

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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    ive had plenty of brilliant battles on EB and the ai armies move themselves much better than in vanilla, they used to attack you one unit at a time in vanilla



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    The AI is still really cowardly on the attack, though. Unless they initiated the battle on the strategic map, I find they won't advance unless they outnumber you at least 3:2. The Gallic factions being an exception, seems they just charge regardless of numbers. Though I recently had a bizarre battle where half their force attacked me, and the other just sat there for a while, waiting while I destroyed the first half to be wiped out in turn.

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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    That is not the case on ALX.exe, that is Vanilla EB is impressive and frightening on ALX.exe (yes that is without the mod I am working on)
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    Quote Originally Posted by maksimus View Post
    That is not the case on ALX.exe, that is Vanilla EB is impressive and frightening on ALX.exe (yes that is without the mod I am working on)
    I am using ALX.exe.

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    Indeed, it is quite funny. "I'm in god-mode and am unhappy that I am beating the computer controlled opponent every time!"

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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    Never use unlimited ammo in Total War series, problem solved.

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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    i think that the other people made it clear anyway that u shouldn´t play with unlimited ammo.

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    I never thought about it before, but, is unlimited ammo really unrealistic?

    Didn't armies like the Parthian withdraw their archers give them more arrows and send them back mid battle? and didn't armies carry extra arrows in their baggage train?

    and what about slingers? I doubt there are a shortage of rocks in most battle fields.

    like I said I never used it but I am staring to question the way the game is designed now.
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    Default Re: Battle AI is Awful

    Withdrawing to resupply from camp isn't the same with unlimited ammo option and not practically possible with TW game engines. I'd rather be able to select which units I'll be committing to battle instead, an even simpler choice. And I doubt that any rock you find on the ground would be really suitable to use with a sling. Weight, shape, type.

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