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    Cargo Cults

    A cargo cult is any of a group of religious movements appearing in tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically-advanced, non-native cultures—which focus upon obtaining the material wealth of the advanced culture through magical thinking as well as religious rituals and practices—while believing that the materials were intended for them by their deities and ancestors.

    Although not the only locations, New Guinea and other Micronesian and Melanesian countries in the southwest Pacific Ocean are locations where these religious movements became documented after initial contacts following exploration, colonization, missionary efforts, and international warfare. The English, French, Russian, German, Australian, Japanese, and American material goods seen in contacts with these cultures have served to generate this religious behavior. Vanuatu, in what was then New Hebrides, is a prime example because it is well documented.

    Members, leaders, and prophets of Cargo cults maintain that the manufactured goods ("cargo") of the non-native culture have been created by spiritual means, such as through their deities and ancestors, and are intended for the local indigenous people, but that, unfairly, the foreigners have gained control of these objects through attraction of these material goods to themselves by malice or mistake.

    Cargo cults thus focus on efforts to overcome what they perceive as the undue influence of the others attracting the goods, by conducting rituals imitating behavior they have observed among the holders of the desired wealth, and presuming that their deities and ancestors will, at last, recognize their own people and send the cargo to them instead. Thus a characteristic feature of cargo cults is the belief that spiritual agents will at some future time give much valuable cargo and desirable manufactured products to the cult members.

    In other instances such as on the island of Tanna in Vanuatu, cult members worship certain Americans, who brought the desired cargo to their island during World War II as part of the supplies used in the war effort, as the spiritual entity who will provide the cargo to them in the future.[1]

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    Famous examples of cargo cult activity include the setting up of mock airstrips, airports, offices, dining rooms, as well as the fetishization and attempted construction of western goods, such as radios made of coconuts and straw. Believers may stage "drills" and "marches" with sticks for rifles and use military-style insignia and "USA" painted on their bodies to make them look like soldiers, thereby treating the activities of western military personnel as rituals to be performed for the purpose of attracting the cargo. The cult members built these items and 'facilities' in the belief that the structures would attract cargo intended to be sent to them.

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    A famous "Cargo Cult" still practiced until our days is the John Frum Cult, from Vanuatu, which includes natives trying to imitate US soldiers and conduct military parades with "USA" painted on them.

    And finally, a report, quite old, but still shocking, of modern Christian witch hunting in Nigeria. Remember it next time you read about the expansion of Christianity in Africa.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Did anyone else see the programme meet the natives? They were convinced that Prince Phillip was their god and if he came to their island, good times would return. Seems a similar thing, in terms that aspects of developed nations and misinterpreted to create strange (in our eyes) belief systems.
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    The thing is that they developed this on their own...it's not an imposition of someone else's' religion on another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing View Post
    The thing is that they developed this on their own...it's not an imposition of someone else's' religion on another.
    It's a religion nonetheless...
    Maybe just not a general one.

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    I've seen this article about cargo cults posted here loads of times now.

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    Just one question, why dose it matter what they believe?
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    W40K LIVES, PEOPLE!



    ALL HAIL THE MACHINE GOD.


    OT: Yeah, honestly the origins of cults/religions are fascinating...

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    Morality coming from an atheist?

    I thought that had only to do with religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Soda View Post
    W40K LIVES, PEOPLE!



    ALL HAIL THE MACHINE GOD.


    OT: Yeah, honestly the origins of cults/religions are fascinating...


    *Ahem*

    Now on topic, this just goes to show you the superstitions that occur in less developed nations.

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    Well it just goes to show that religion will never go away. Ever.

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    How is this the "lowest moral degree"? Did I miss the part where the article does mention that those creative savages eat babies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibn Rushd View Post
    How is this the "lowest moral degree"? Did I miss the part where the article does mention that those creative savages eat babies?

    There is one thing even more fascinating than human fantasy: angry atheists.
    If you ever read the part about witch hunting in Nigeria, I don't expect you to smile after.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    If you ever read the part about witch hunting in Nigeria, I don't expect you to smile after.
    What is your article based on primarily? I say it's not about the Nigeria issue, which is nothing more than a sidenote. The "Cargo cult", does that tell you something? I can hardly see any witchhunting implied.

    Do you usually name threads with sensationalistic garbage after article's sidenotes?

    Certainly, your rethoric is no laughing matter. It's a serious one. But see, I keep smiling...we theists must be very optimistic, don't you think, Philosophe?
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    Do you usually name threads with sensationalistic garbage after article's sidenotes?

    Certainly, your rethoric is no laughing matter. It's a serious one. But see, I keep smiling...we theists must be very optimistic, don't you think, Philosophe?
    Do you consider Cargo Cults to be morally acceptable, Ibn Rushd?
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    I see them as an interesting sociological case. Strengthens my belief in the madness called religion, and the beauty called atheïsm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    Do you consider Cargo Cults to be morally acceptable, Ibn Rushd?
    I can't see anything immoral (in the common usage of the term) in worshipping photos and radios. I'd be surprised if you would.

    I can see however the kind of idolatry and fetishism the prophets alerted us about. But that is of no concern to an atheist, I reckon.
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    This is a classic show of why religious people should re-evaluate their beliefs. (I am aware many have done, and reformed somewhat to beliefs truer to them, and I respect them for that). This 'cargo cult' is no different from the judea-christian religions in its origins, myths built upon a factual (or many) figure[s] which attempt to explain certain events or such like they cannot personally understand.

    It can be seen how wrong they are. The American troops were simply fighting Japan, they had no interest in the natives. Such misinterpretation and egoist delusions are what builds all religions.

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    Island of the Sequined Love Nun

    Many cargo cults are atheist because they do not believe in divinity but rather "magic" men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil' Sally View Post
    Island of the Sequined Love Nun

    Many cargo cults are atheist because they do not believe in divinity but rather "magic" men.
    Have you ever heard about "Shamanism", and how it falls under the "religious" label?
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    Have you ever heard about "Shamanism", and how it falls under the "religious" label?
    Yes. Shamans speak with the Gods/Forces. Cargo cults do not all believe in Gods/Forces, hence closer to atheism.

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