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    Science:
    Big Bang
    Particles begin to form larger and more concrete “chunks”
    Chunks react together and over billions of years begin to form into more united and complex compounds.
    Various stellar bodies begin to appear as particles form far larger and more complex bodies in space.
    The sun, one of the smaller stellar bodies on one of many spiral arms of one of many galaxies begins to attract a cluster of other stellar bodies which fall into orbit.
    One of these bodies, third from the sun, is made of rock and has the right distance from the sun and size to gather water from falling comets and other sources.
    Water provides environment for far more complex reaction. Size of the planet permits the gas pumped from within the planet to form an atmosphere, which blocks out more harmful elements of solar radiation.
    At this level of radiation particles still are caused to react and form more violent and complex compounds of forms not seen elsewhere within the water. Some of these are extremely complex shells of water philic and water phobic compounds and chains of carbon-based matter.
    These continue to form more stable complexes as radiation begins to fall, protected by a thicker atmosphere and in muddy sediment left within the water.
    Over millions of years some of these form self-replicating organic complexes, which are capable of incorporating other complexes to themselves grow larger and more complex.
    The more successful versions of these are ones that replicate more quickly and so produce more of themselves. This continues so that more and more complex and interacting collections of organic compounds are produced. The random creation of these results in more successful variants forming, those less successful never produce more versions so do not continue.
    The more and more complex collections create what will be called ‘living’ matter. Interacting clumps of complexes that absorb other complexes and split to produce more of themselves as time passes. In time they begin to clump together as groups, which are more successful. Each clump is called a cell.
    The cells begin to produce more and more complex variants with more and more variety and ability to continue recreation in more extreme environments, outside the mud in which the first complexes and cells were formed. Eventually these form fungi and other coral-like clusters of cells.
    Movement evolves from cells that are capable of self-propulsion through random variations produced in cellular excretion apparatus. Clumps of cells are created with some specified for propulsion, others for absorption or creation. These recreate as groups rather as individuals.
    The Clumps continue to grow larger and larger, with more complex and specified cells, eventually forming invertebrates and later vertebrates. Continued random variation produces living ‘clumps’ (organisms) that are more capable of recreating themselves in larger numbers in more habitats, including on land and in air.
    These tend to have central control clumps of cells called brains. One section of organisms called apes had larger control centers and so was more able to manipulate their environment. One species of these had the largest brains of all and began to dominate the planet. These are humans. Most cells from the very beginning still exist, and you will find very similar bacteria that are almost the same as the first mud-dwelling clusters.

    The Bible:
    Sentient being creates universe centered on a planet in six days(for no apparent reason), including light, animals and humans (for no apparent reason). Then he rests (for no apparent reason), content with his ability to split the water into sea and space (for no apparent reason). Somehow the water that was space disappeared leaving a vacuum (for no apparent reason). The Earth also managed to fold itself so it was no longer flat, and random fossils and oils developed for no reason whatsoever.

    You can see why some people prefer to believe in the second, as it is shorter and requires less thought. Early humans didn’t really know about the first option so they made the second one up to cover what they think might have happened. Some people are too stupid to realise that those humans were nothing more then intelligent apes and we really shouldn’t pay much attention to what they decided to write down and actually show some independent thought.
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    You can see why some people prefer to believe in the second, as it is shorter and requires less thought.
    People believe too much of what they hear and do not question it. It's a shame, that's why the most of the southern US is ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing View Post
    People believe too much of what they hear and do not question it. It's a shame, that's why the most of the southern US is ****.
    Yes I agree. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummagumma View Post
    Yes I agree. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait.. I'm just believing what you tell me. I don't believe you. That means I can believe what folks tell me. So I believe you. Oh, wait..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    You can see why some people prefer to believe in the second, as it is shorter and requires less thought. Early humans didn’t really know about the first option so they made the second one up to cover what they think might have happened.
    So true Ruin. Even that long ago, we were still trying to find out about our world, we just drew the wrong conclusions. As time went by, more sophisticated methods of inquiry were discovered/invented, and we discovered the true origins of our universe.

    Just out of curiosity, are you an agnostic/atheist?

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    People believe too much of what they hear and do not question it. It's a shame, that's why the most of the southern US is ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    The Bible:
    Sentient being creates universe centered on a planet in six days(for no apparent reason), including light, animals and humans (for no apparent reason). Then he rests (for no apparent reason), content with his ability to split the water into sea and space (for no apparent reason). Somehow the water that was space disappeared leaving a vacuum (for no apparent reason). The Earth also managed to fold itself so it was no longer flat, and random fossils and oils developed for no reason whatsoever.
    You forgot two other major things.
    1. All humans are direct descendants from Adam and Eve. Their only clothing consisted of leaves covering their private parts and Eve's niples.
    2. Noah once built a ark that housed a male and a female of every specy on the planet due to a heavy rainstorm lasting 40 days and 40 nights that flooded the entire planet. That man was also a great logistican to be able to collect all species and return them once the water level dropped by several kilometres. In addition he also had to build an aquarium to house fresh water fish because all lakes and rivers would be covered by the ocean.

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    He's saying no matter who you agree with you're essencially creating an act of faith, by believing a specific person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    He's saying no matter who you agree with you're essencially creating an act of faith, by believing a specific person.
    That isn't what I mean though, I meant that many people simply...don't question anything at all. I didn't in my youth either.

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    I'm actually catholic and I don't believe in creationism, coz it's only a parable, a tale for those who don't want to think about it too much. I really don't understand why do the followers of creationism believe a 4000 yrs old jewish tale?????????
    I do believe that God created the world but this way.
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    Just out of curiosity, are you an agnostic/atheist?
    Atheist. However, I do not believe in true atheism (complete assurity of the non-existence of any God) thus I am an atheist-leaning agnostic-deist. (Pretty sure that no God exists, but if it does it is the Deist interpretation of one).

    I'm actually catholic and I don't believe in creationism, coz it's only a parable, a tale for those who don't want to think about it too much. I really don't understand why do the followers of creationism believe a 4000 yrs old jewish tale?????????
    Why do you believe in a 2000 year old Christian tale? You have no more reason to. If you're going to follow such nonsense you may as well take it all the way really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    Atheist. However, I do not believe in true atheism (complete assurity of the non-existence of any God) ...
    That isn't "true" atheism. Atheism is simply any position whereby you are without a belief in any "God" or gods.

    thus I am an atheist-leaning agnostic-deist. (Pretty sure that no God exists, but if it does it is the Deist interpretation of one).
    No, you're simply an atheist. If you believe that God is unknowable then you're also an agnostic, but you're still an atheist.

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    Well i should point out that that "science" method of forming life is a very simplified version anyway. Doesn't talk about the fact the sun wasn't a first star for example or the mechanisms involved.
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    That isn't "true" atheism. Atheism is simply any position whereby you are without a belief in any "God" or gods.
    Then what is the term for someone who absolutely believes God does not exist?
    Or further still, for someone who believes there is no possibility he does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    Then what is the term for someone who absolutely believes God does not exist?
    Or further still, for someone who believes there is no possibility he does?
    I sense a sticky coming on. ThiudareiksGunthigg - would you care to oblige? (You seem to be good at it!)

    Every time anyone mentions the 'A' word it sparks a 'but what if you..?' - sometimes for a few pages.

    (Atheist = No god, no matter how strongly your conviction or or your reasoning. Agnostic = Not knowable, no matter how unknown. Theist = God that directly influences/communicates/is revealed to humans. Deist = God without religion, messages or revelation).
    I think that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    Then what is the term for someone who absolutely believes God does not exist?
    Or further still, for someone who believes there is no possibility he does?
    That is, again, an atheist. I don't think there is a new word for that set of beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    Then what is the term for someone who absolutely believes God does not exist?
    Or further still, for someone who believes there is no possibility he does?
    That is the distinction between Weak Atheism and Strong Atheism.

    Weak atheism is what you are, lack of belief in a deity. Strong Atheism is the belief no deity exists.

    Agnosticism is generally the belief that you cannot have knowledge of the existence of god i.e the question of gods existence is impossible to answer/meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syron View Post
    That is the distinction between Weak Atheism and Strong Atheism.

    Weak atheism is what you are, lack of belief in a deity. Strong Atheism is the belief no deity exists.

    Agnosticism is generally the belief that you cannot have knowledge of the existence of god i.e the question of gods existence is impossible to answer/meaningless.
    Exactly. I dislike the terms "strong atheism" and "weak atheism", but that's just me. I prefer to refer to "strong atheism" as "nontheism" and "weak atheism" as just plain "atheism", since the vast majority of atheists are "weak atheists". Nontheists are pretty rare critters.

    I sense a sticky coming on. ThiudareiksGunthigg - would you care to oblige? (You seem to be good at it!)

    Every time anyone mentions the 'A' word it sparks a 'but what if you..?' - sometimes for a few pages.
    Not a bad idea. It would certainly save me having to repeat my "definitions of atheism and agnosticism" post every two or three weeks.
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    That is what I meant. I labeled Strong Atheism as True Atheism, and then (as there are many kinds of weak atheism) I gave myself a full, comprehensive label thereof. Atheism and Agnosticism seem to have a very indistinct lining. You can be Agnostic and believe it is probable there is not a God, or an Atheist, who doesn't believe because it is probable there is not a God. You can get near opposites, Agnostic and believe it is probable there is a God, and Atheist, who denies any possibility of a God.

    I understand Atheism is a lack of belief, and agnosticism is belief that the question is unanswerable. I lie in between, slightly towards the side of Atheism (to the extent that although I believe the question unanswerable, I find it a more reasonable position to base all my beliefs on there not being a God, as I believe it very unlikely)
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    @ ThiudareiksGunthigg

    You can always use "explicit" and "implicit" Atheism instead. (i've forgotten which is which! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syron View Post
    @ ThiudareiksGunthigg

    You can always use "explicit" and "implicit" Atheism instead. (i've forgotten which is which! )
    Implicit=weak, explicit=strong

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