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How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
THis is about the study of purported animals, ie Sea Serpent, whatever they alledge that thing Nessie is suppose to be (its a kelpie read Harry Potter), the search for the purported apes of North America and Asia (abominable snowmen, Yeti, Bigfoot) , and the succesful finding of the Great Squid. known through myth as the Kraken.
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
l at least they got the kraken right
"Cryptozoologist frum Russia are alleged to have captured several giant squids and have them interred in the Naval base in Murmansk. Source say they are trying to tame the squid for military purposes................."
hehe i can imagine it now
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
I think Nessie is meant to be a plesiosaur of the freshwater variety.
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Cryptozoology is bunk.
Not once have I seen a crypt in a zoo, or vice versa....
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
No, no, you've got it wrong! Cryptozoology is the science of making zoos really mysterious as in where did that zoo go?
Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
check out the coelecanth then.Originally Posted by Rambarrrgh!
a fish from the dinosaur era still lives on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelecanth
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Generally, the land animals on that list were doubted only until extensive searches had occurred. It's pretty hard to miss giraffes if you trek out to the right part of Africa. So you really can't compare okapi or Komodo dragons of yesteryear to today's Bigfoot. Back then, they just didn't have very good global channels of communication. Now it's a fairly simple thing for an intrepid zoologist to book a flight to pretty much anywhere in the world and report back in a few months with either photos or empty hands, as the case may be.
There are some rather different cases, of course. It's not surprising to see totally novel sea life turn up pretty regularly. The sea is twice as large as the land in terms of area, probably hundreds of times greater or more in habitable volume, and yet our interactions with it are almost nonexistent compared to the land. So there are probably lots of super-weird aquatic creatures. Some weird land creatures yet undiscovered too, probably, but not many (at least not that are very large).
The things is that once extensive searches are conducted and fail, you really have to give up at some point. Of course, if you don't have any idea where the thing lives, you can make a reasonable case that the case isn't settled until you search everywhere. But if people say Bigfoot lives in some forest, and zoologists and park rangers and whatever have at various times gone over the whole place and documented all the living creatures they saw, and nobody's found Bigfoot, you have to figure Bigfoot's a little too big to hide for so long.
I have to take issue with saying the oarfish is the sea serpent of legend, though. That's about as reasonable as saying that Komodo dragons explain dragons. Yes, there are some similarities, but the differences are so dramatic (sea serpents capsizing ships and so on) that it doesn't seem clear that the real-life creature inspired the legend. Certainly there were many, many legendary creatures that were inspired by no real-life equivalent, except in the vague sense that you get a sea serpent by taking a sea snake and scaling it up by a factor of a hundred, or a giant by doing the same to a human.
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Well, let's see.
Creatures doubted but proven:
-Giraffe
-Komodo Dragons
-Okapi
-Sea Serpents (large oarfish)
-Coelacanth
-Vietnamese Ox
-Big Red One
-Kraken
Creatures not proven:
-Nessie or any of it's clones
-Bigfoot or any of it's clones
-Mokele Mbembe
-Owlman
-Mothman
-Etc.
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Sea serpents proven?
I doubt it.
Personally I say that we still have only began to explore the ocean.
Nessie is a dam Kelpie!
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*ahem*
THEY'RE DAMN OARFISH. THE CREW OF THE DAEDELUS SAW A SNAKE-LIKE CREATURE WITH A MANE: AN OARFISH. OARFISH CAN GROW TO MASSIVE LENGTHS.
tadaa...
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/...b__430x242.jpg
http://www.mexfish.com/fish/oarfish/oarfish.jpg
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Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
?!
Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
This guys asks a good question. Do you think you could answer it, Kiljan? I really don't see how a fictional story written by a money-grubbing attention-seeking whore can prove or disprove the origin or existence of the Loch Ness Monster.?!
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Bigfoot is the result of some guys thinking all they saw on their LSD trips was real.
BTW whats Big red one?
OH and for everyone to know The Chupacabra is just Coyotes suffering from some really disgusting as hell skin desease, although I would suggest that studies be done to why its prevelant in the South Western US, and Northern Mexico.
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Its all true I tell you its all true!
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Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Cryptozoology itself isn't much of a science. I willingly admit that I believe that Nessie and Bigfoot and such are possibilities, but cryptozoology is not very scientific in its methods of trying to prove them real.
However, there are a few cryptozoologists who are going about their studies as if it were, and try to use the scientific method in what they are doing. If more cryptozoologists were to be like this, perhaps cryptozoology would become more like a real branch of zoology.
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Re: How much of a science is "Cryptozoology"?
Meh, I always thought of it as a pseudo-science of trying to find and prove animals either thought extinct or not real as having empirical, concrete scientific evidence, backed by carcasses, to prove them.
Still interesting as hell, though.
Info on the Vietnamese ox:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...55C0A962958260
"The rarity of such a find can be judged from the fact that only seven species of large land mammals, including this one, have been discovered since 1900."
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