The "Big Bang" and its' background radiation noise

[hellas1]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to know one thing from the Hyper intellectuals out there
(Don't worry about incriminating your Egos by posting, as long as you give me evidence for what I'm SPECIFICALLY ASKING you for):

I've read that scientists have "recorded" the background radiation "noise" from when the "Big Bang" Banged. I believe that this is documented and accepted as being a legitimate scientific discovery.

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, What was the vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it?

Almost all ancient world religions spoke of a God or Gods speaking or singing the world/world(s) into being. Do the research yourselves and see.

Comments Please.
hellas1

[The Good]

Well, I do believe that God created the entire Universe and beyond. This is an interesting find by the way.

[Dayman]

Almost all ancient world religions spoke of a God or Gods speaking or singing the world/world(s) into being.

How do you equate the cosmic background radiation into song?

If anything it's a coincidence. Because there would be no way primitive man to have heard the noise, nor know about it in any way.

[Tiwaz]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to know one thing from the Hyper intellectuals out there
(Don't worry about incriminating your Egos by posting, as long as you give me evidence for what I'm SPECIFICALLY ASKING you for):

I've read that scientists have "recorded" the background radiation "noise" from when the "Big Bang" Banged. I believe that this is documented and accepted as being a legitimate scientific discovery.

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, What was the vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it?

Almost all ancient world religions spoke of a God or Gods speaking or singing the world/world(s) into being. Do the research yourselves and see.

Comments Please.
hellas1

Let's turn the question around... Assuming God or Gods did cause Big Bang...

What caused this God or Gods to become into existence?

Is it more reasonable to say that divine beings just were there, or is it more reasonable to say for example that origins of universe just were there?

One we know to be in existence, another we do not. Also there are some theories suggesting that either universe is in kind of eternal loop of Boom & Crunch along with other possibilities like multiverse where other universes in eternal "bubbling" cause new universes to be born while old ones die.

[Dayman]

One we know to be in existence, another we do not. Also there are some theories suggesting that either universe is in kind of eternal loop of Boom & Crunch along with other possibilities like multiverse where other universes in eternal "bubbling" cause new universes to be born while old ones die.

It hurts my mind to attempt to grasp that scale.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

It hurts my mind to attempt to grasp that scale.

Wear a tinfoil hat, it works for me. Also keeps the CIA from discovering what I'm deciding to have for breakfast.

[Syron]

I've read that scientists have "recorded" the background radiation "noise" from when the "Big Bang" Banged. I believe that this is documented and accepted as being a legitimate scientific discovery.

If you are talking about the Cosmic Microwave Background then you should understand that that doesn't come from the Big Bang but around 380,000 years after. It is in imprint of the Plasma at that point, not the Big Bang itself, although there is information about that within it.

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, What was the vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it?

For a start not all energy is from vibration (KE), in fact the vast majority is not.



Now what caused it? Inflation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_inflation

At a short time, at least 10 to the minus 38 seconds, after the Big Bang the quantum fluctuations increased to macroscopic scales changing gravitational potential and hence creating density variations.

Almost all ancient world religions spoke of a God or Gods speaking or singing the world/world(s) into being. Do the research yourselves and see.

There are also some religions that say the gods :wub:d things into existence. So?

How do you equate the cosmic background radiation into song?

To be fair, some of the variations in the primordial plasma were due to acoustic waves propagating through it. It's a rather pathetic comparison though.

[johnny5000]

This is really grasping at straws here.

So basically you're asking what caused the Big Bang?

[wilting]

Saying 'God' created the universe doesn't answer anything, it just passes the question on. The universe needs a cause, but for some reason 'God' doesn't?

Also, "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ockham%27s_razor

Which is simpler?

The universe just exists.

Or

God created the universe. God just exists.

However, it's worth pointing out that other things are not equal in this case, as there is no evidence for 'God'. Backround radiation somehow equating with song doesn't count as evidence.

[Ummagumma]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to know one thing from the Hyper intellectuals out there
(Don't worry about incriminating your Egos by posting, as long as you give me evidence for what I'm SPECIFICALLY ASKING you for):

I have no ego, don't worry about trying to offend me....

I've read that scientists have "recorded" the background radiation "noise" from when the "Big Bang" Banged. I believe that this is documented and accepted as being a legitimate scientific discovery.

Check here, a nice summation of one established theory.

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, What was the vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it?

Ah, the reason this is in the Ethos rather than the Athenaeum.. In the principles of cause + effect, it is quite hard to start anything. 'Something' caused the universe without a prior cause. I find myself drawn towards string theory as the most plausible explanation, in that our universe is the intersection of 4 dimensions (Space and Time). The previous criticisms of string theory, in that it made the very appearance of our universe almost infinitely unlikely have been answered mathematically in the way that the 'folding' occurs - but I personally didn't understand the criticism, unlikely as it is, it still happened - it only becomes an issue when you apply predetermination: we were 'supposed' to be here. That to me is a nonsense argument.

Almost all ancient world religions spoke of a God or Gods speaking or singing the world/world(s) into being. Do the research yourselves and see.

Haha, like Douglas Adams' 'Great Green Arkleseizure', whose followers believe the universe was sneezed into being by Him, and await the coming of the great Handkerchief when the universe will be wiped away.
For what it is worth, I think that it is a common theme from worldwide religion because the humans that 'created' the religion are the same. We all want to know why we are here, what it is 'all about', where we all came from. Therefore there are several explanations to those questions. If nothing else, it allows people to dwell on the questions less and concentrate on actually existing rather than become obsessed with why they exist. Is religion/spirituality, call it what you will, a 'bi-product' of human consciousness? All religions attemt to answer similar core questions of existence, questions that as far as we know are only asked by humans. The answers can differ wildly, only the questions and facility to ask them are a constant.

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[hellas1]

@Syron,

Go back before 10 to the 38th power, What happened?

See, science is ever evolving. God is not, hence the unanswerable question posed to and unanswered by scientists.

hellas1

[chriscase]

Hellas,
You appear to be asking for an empirical rebuttal to a theological argument. Your "question",

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, What was the vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it?

could be better written as a statement like:

If the "Big Bang" banged, and ALL energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity, there must be a vibrational causation OR Causator that caused it, and therefore God's existence is proven.

I don't really see how the "vibration" angle really adds much to the argument. Actually, it takes away from it, because the hypothesis of your syllogism is false: It is not the case that "All energy is nothing but vibrational periodicity." So the argument becomes vaccuous and the conclusion is not supported. Why not drop the whole "vibration" thing and just put it this way:

If the "Big Bang" banged, something must have caused it, and since I can't imagine anything else that might have done that, it must have been God.

But now you want someone to offer you empirical proof of... what? The first miniscule fraction of the first second after the Big Bang? Why? What are you looking for there? Does it really matter what you find?

I don't see how your argument is particularly specific to the Big Bang:

If quantum mechanics is real, something must have caused it, and since I can't imagine anything else that might have done that, it must have been God.

If <insert fundamental physical phenomenon> is real, something must have caused it, and since I can't imagine anything else that might have done that, it must have been God.

The Cosmic background radiation is certainly interesting. Have you looked at it? Maybe it would interest you to see it for yourself.

But the key point of this line of thinking is the part where one must appeal to common sense and experience. At some point, one must stand back and say something like, "Because it is unimaginable that <whatever you have just described> could come about randomly, there must be a guiding intelligence at work, and therefore God exists."

However, when we are discussing something at the very earliest fraction of a second after the Big Bang, or something on the scale of the age of the universe, appeals to intuition and common sense are not reasonable at all. Imagine the very simplest representation of spacetime as a four dimensional geometry. Can you? It's not intuitive. And when modern cosmology adds additional dimensions, intuition is pretty much out the window.

We have less chance of intuitively undertanding the Big Bang than an ant has of understanding a Klein bottle, even if he is crawling on it. Actually, I find the Klein bottle pretty non-intuitive - not surprising since it can't be properly embedded in any less than four dimensions.