Africans have 20 years to prepare for Colonialism round 2

[Tajir]

My following thesis/statement is based on an episode of Charlie Rose where he interviewed some British guys (inherently smart) and they spoke about the downfall of the West and the rise of the far East. Most of it comes directly from what they said, it was really interesting.

When the Europeans colonized Africa, they weren't in large numbers, they weren't overcrowded back home, and their hunger for new land was less of a necessity and more of an excess. It was truly just colonialism, expansion of the empire. Not to mention, part of Europe's mission in Africa was religious conversion and a cultural makeover, sort of like the Arabs before them.

Today, the West is becoming more liberal and environmental conscious, more spiritual and less physical. Signs of a decline. The US is in this with Europe as well.

There is no doubt that Asia is a born-again beast, quiet for centuries, now back on its legs and eating every speck on its plate. The exponential growth in China and India is nothing short of astonishing, and truly scary. Asia is growing, crowding, and natural resources are scarce, even livestock is scarce, and often has been. The beast cannot be contained to just one corner of the world, the time for expansion is here.

With no intent to convert anyone and a seething hunger for new conquest, Asia will soon be on the march to Africa. Within my lifetime, I will see an Asian colony in Africa. I know it. Since the 1970s, China has been building relationships and infrastructure in Africa and the trend continues. It is impossible for Asia to just stay quiet while the prize (Africa) remains untapped, and Europe no longer has a taste for exploitation or a budget, despite the fact that there is a lot left to exploit there.

What's your take on this?

[Panzerbear]

My following thesis/statement is based on an episode of Charlie Rose where he interviewed some British guys (inherently smart) and they spoke about the downfall of the West and the rise of the far East. Most of it comes directly from what they said, it was really interesting.

When the Europeans colonized Africa, they weren't in large numbers, they weren't overcrowded back home, and their hunger for new land was less of a necessity and more of an excess. It was truly just colonialism, expansion of the empire. Not to mention, part of Europe's mission in Africa was religious conversion and a cultural makeover, sort of like the Arabs before them.

Today, the West is becoming more liberal and environmental conscious, more spiritual and less physical. Signs of a decline. The US is in this with Europe as well.

There is no doubt that Asia is a born-again beast, quiet for centuries, now back on its legs and eating every speck on its plate. The exponential growth in China and India is nothing short of astonishing, and truly scary. Asia is growing, crowding, and natural resources are scarce, even livestock is scarce, and often has been. The beast cannot be contained to just one corner of the world, the time for expansion is here.

With no intent to convert anyone and a seething hunger for new conquest, Asia will soon be on the march to Africa. Within my lifetime, I will see an Asian colony in Africa. I know it. Since the 1970s, China has been building relationships and infrastructure in Africa and the trend continues. It is impossible for Asia to just stay quiet while the prize (Africa) remains untapped, and Europe no longer has a taste for exploitation or a budget, despite the fact that there is a lot left to exploit there.

What's your take on this?

yeah those marching beasts are surely scary...



you are totally not brainwashed or anything.

[Tajir]

yeah those marching beasts are surely scary...



you are totally not brainwashed or anything.

We have a lot in common, you know.

We're both non-American born. We both reside in Minnesota. We both love carrot cake. We are both engineering students (i start next fall). And we both know that most Americans are inherently not very intelligent.

So, by now, you should know that I am not brainwashed. I read a lot on my history in Africa and how colonialism gradually expanded in every way; from trade and settlement to full occupation. I have footage of old grainy videos from Ethiopia and Somalia when China began her relationship with those two states, which dealt with as her #1 and #2 allies in Africa. Ethiopia is still the #1 client of China in Africa and pretty soon, we'll see Ethiopia helping China conquer territories around her.

I'm not "brainwashed" as you put it, I just see Asia as the next big threat to Africa, in the same way that Europe was. Though I personally prefer the Asians since they don't travel in tight pants and wigs.

Asia's growth is not scary to me because of my fear of communism or anything of their beliefs or way of life, in fact I welcome it. Its scary because of the changes it'll bring to the world; I just fear change, but in a way I welcome it and I hope to speed it up.

[Graphic]

And we both know that most Americans are inherently not very intelligent.

I submit that most humans on this planet aren't intelligent.

I also submit that you are one of them.

[Pontifex Maximus]

We have a lot in common, you know.

We're both non-American born. We both reside in Minnesota. We both love carrot cake. We are both engineering students (i start next fall). And we both know that most Americans are inherently not very intelligent.

So, by now, you should know that I am not brainwashed. I read a lot on my history in Africa and how colonialism gradually expanded in every way; from trade and settlement to full occupation. I have footage of old grainy videos from Ethiopia and Somalia when China began her relationship with those two states, which dealt with as her #1 and #2 allies in Africa. Ethiopia is still the #1 client of China in Africa and pretty soon, we'll see Ethiopia helping China conquer territories around her.

I'm not "brainwashed" as you put it, I just see Asia as the next big threat to Africa, in the same way that Europe was. Though I personally prefer the Asians since they don't travel in tight pants and wigs.

Asia's growth is not scary to me because of my fear of communism or anything of their beliefs or way of life, in fact I welcome it. Its scary because of the changes it'll bring to the world; I just fear change, but in a way I welcome it and I hope to speed it up.

And you both hate Americans and your adopted country but you feel just fine using it to your benefit anyway.

[Aetius]

And you both hate Americans and your adopted country but you feel just fine using it to your benefit anyway.

[Carach]

china, rather than asia i would say.

and not colonialism, just economic influence.

[Tajir]

china, rather than asia i would say.

and not colonialism, just economic influence.

China will lead the charge, but I doubt 7 million Hong Kong residents can share that tiny piece of land, nor the 130 million Japs on that tiny set of islands, nor the 50 million South Koreans sharing land the size of Iowa.

In fact, the Chinese are the least crowded Asians and they are still hungry like a wolf. Imagine the others.

It will become colonialism, its inevitable. Nation-states as a concept can only be accepted for so long. Britain isn't around anymore to make the rules, its back to the age of imperialism, conquest, and total war!

I submit that most humans on this planet aren't intelligent, that includes the apparently perfect, utopia-enjoying (according to this forum) Europeans.

I also submit that you are one of them.

Wrong. I am not American-born, so therefore I hold a higher intellectual capacity.

[MyNameIsGreat]

The West has become more spiritual since the times of Colonialism? Wtf?


And you seem to be missing the fact that during the first colonialism, Europe was much more advanced than the rest of the world. Nobody could stand up and oppose their colonialism. Not sure if you've noticed, but the "barbarian Indian tribes" (the native Americans) have been replaced by a global superpower, the USA, who would not stand for Asians colonizing Africa. Western Europe has pent up military strength, just looking for a noble cause to use it with.

And Africa isn't exactly a push-over, either. So I fail to see how Asia could colonize another continent without international outrage. China can't even conquer Tibet without suffering severe criticism. Now you expect them to colonize Africa?

We have a lot in common, you know.

We're both non-American born. We both reside in Minnesota. We both love carrot cake. We are both engineering students (i start next fall). And we both know that most Americans are inherently not very intelligent.

Americans aren't very intelligent, yet you come to America for schooling? Give me a break.

[Domnul Ceaşcă]

Americans aren't very intelligent, yet you come to America for schooling? Give me a break.

I doubt he came there for schooling...

[Red_Praetoria]

Wrong. I am not American-born, so therefore I hold a higher intellectual capacity.

Actually that just proves your ignorant and biased towards Americans, but that can be expected. I dont mean to be so harsh but please no more flaming.

I dont see the empire building we once saw back in the imperialism age atleast within the next century. There would be to much opposition globally to a country such as China just sailing in and saying "we're building a colony here." It would be plausible to say hey may try to gain political and economic power though.

[Medicus]

China will lead the charge, but I doubt 7 million Hong Kong residents can share that tiny piece of land, nor the 130 million Japs on that tiny set of islands, nor the 50 million South Koreans sharing land the size of Iowa.

In fact, the Chinese are the least crowded Asians and they are still hungry like a wolf. Imagine the others.

It will become colonialism, its inevitable. Nation-states as a concept can only be accepted for so long. Britain isn't around anymore to make the rules, its back to the age of imperialism, conquest, and total war!

Go play a computer game.

The fact is, the entire population of Earth could be squashed into Texas. If you want to limit population growth, implement a one-child policy, or build higher and bigger. We're just going to have to get used to a more Urban lifestyle.

And just for ***** and giggles... currently one and a half million people live on Manhattan Island, which holds an area of just under 60 km². Why don't you suggest they go and conquer Côte d'Ivoire?

Wrong. I am not American-born, so therefore I hold a higher intellectual capacity.

Racist much?

[Tajir]

Go play a computer game.

The fact is, the entire population of Earth could be squashed into Texas. If you want to limit population growth, implement a one-child policy, or build higher and bigger. We're just going to have to get used to a more Urban lifestyle.

And just for ***** and giggles... currently one and a half million people live on Manhattan Island, which holds an area of just under 60 km². Why don't you suggest they go and conquer Côte d'Ivoire?



Racist much?

I wasn't aware that Americans were a racial group, remind me.

As for Asian expansion and colonialism. Sometimes its out of necessity, like the nomads of the past, and sometimes its just the power trip that comes with...power.

My money is on Mauritania to be the first Asian colony, Madagascar and Mozambique are #2 and #3. The rest, is up to time.

[Medicus]

I wasn't aware that Americans were a racial group, remind me.

Oh, I see. Hatred of, say, Somalis = racist, but Americans = perfectly justified?

As for Asian expansion and colonialism. Sometimes its out of necessity, like the nomads of the past, and sometimes its just the power trip that comes with...power.

My money is on Mauritania to be the first Asian colony, Madagascar and Mozambique are #2 and #3. The rest, is up to time.

The Chinese aren't going to expand just for power... they don't need Africa for an ego trip, they already have their massive economy for that.

[Vladimir Lenin]

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Asi...fic/bg1916.cfm

Here's a fun article from the Heritage Organization that talks about China in Africa and it's implications for the future.

Worth the read

[Tajir]

See how dumb Americans really are?

Here's a whole topic and their only reply as a nation, is entirely based on a reply I made about Americans. Is this tunnel vision or mild mental retardation?

I never said I hated Americans or this country, I just think most of them are mildly retarded, and the proof is in the pudding*

*pudding is a soft treat designed as easy-to-eat for the average and simple American

[Stuntdawg5]

See how dumb Americans really are?

Here's a whole topic and their only reply as a nation, is entirely based on a reply I made about Americans. Is this tunnel vision or mild mental retardation?

I never said I hated Americans or this country, I just think most of them are mildly retarded, and the proof is in the pudding*

*pudding is a soft treat designed as easy-to-eat for the average and simple American

I'm very sure that you would say the exact, EXACT, same things if I were to say that all the people in the country which you came from are slightly retarded. So please, stop with the BS.

As an American, I can say that just because you see some Americans that aren't the brightest (Which is actually common in many countries) that shouldn't make you naturally assume that most Americans are stupid. And if you live in America and have not noticed this yet, that is slightly sad. America may not be rated as the most intelligent country in the world, but there are still many smart people here.

So what you pretty much mean in your first post is that the West will fall and the Chinese will come in and vacuum up? Beginning with Africa? I'm sorry but as of yet, I see no reason to believe that the West will fall into such a low. Yes, they have problems, but so does every other country. I do not see a "fall" of the West for some time to come. Although I do think that China will need to expand in the near future in order to have more land for its ever growing number of people I do not believe that they will go on a rampage and do enough damage to change the ways of the West.

I didn't cover everything, but I'm in a hurry, so I'm sorry.

[MyNameIsGreat]

See how dumb Americans really are?

Here's a whole topic and their only reply as a nation, is entirely based on a reply I made about Americans. Is this tunnel vision or mild mental retardation?

I never said I hated Americans or this country, I just think most of them are mildly retarded, and the proof is in the pudding*

*pudding is a soft treat designed as easy-to-eat for the average and simple American

I replied to your ridiculous theory. Then I addressed your stupid comments about Americans.


Oh well. What could I have expected from someone who wanted to nuke Israel so that it wouldn't cost America any more money?

[gaius valerius]

Ah, a tread about the typical Asia-hysteria. How typical. Indeed, the 21th century has been hyped many times and for many decades, especially now with the evident rise of China as the age of the Asians. Goodbye Europe and USA, back to the marginality you originally emerged from, back to that shadow Asia casted on you centuries ago! But I think we're overexagerrating. True, 21th century will very much be a century in which Asia will be a dominant force. I'm saying a, not the, as I believe Asia will not be the only player. Europe and the USA will see their star waning - that is of course in comparison with the current level, so the waning star will be more in relative than absolute terms. I'm convinced the USA will have a harder time (at first?) than Europe as we are can rely in part on our internal market which alrdy makes up most of our economy. With the USA being more integrated in the worldsystem they might suffer more under a continuous rise of Asia. Americans don't be angered by this It's not an attack on your nation, just a believe, don't hate me for it. The thing is the "West" is not just going to stand by idle and watch Asia put them out of the picture. They'll retaliate! And that doesn't mean war of course, it means they'll search for ways to cope, adjust, compensate, etc. I doubt we'll be uneffective in such issues. As for Africa, the trend in recent years has been an increasing interest of China for the continent while Europe seemed rather apathic (the we've been there, done this, took it all, ciao-attitude). But frankly I doubt that will happen. Just last year we've had a EU-Africa summit, though it wasn't such a succes (the whole issue with Mugabe) it does prove that the EU is not letting go of Africa. So in years to come I think the baselines of the EU-Africa summit will form a foundation for more talks, so no, I don't think the EU will stand by idle as China takes over the region. Apart from Europe a reason for that can also be found in Africa itself: the ppl there won't look up to China for democracy, human rights, etc... for that, they'll look towards the self-proclaimed beacon of human rights in the world: the EU, so we have a charisma advantage.

Apart from the 'west' not idly letting the 'east' take over I think you should also keep internal factors in mind. China, one of the top 3 economies of the day, is by all standards (apart from certain areas) still a 3rd world country. Ppl are poor, opressed, etc. Combine this with a superb economy and you get... revolution. Well, that is to say, a potentially dangerous climate. Chinese society will evidently strive towards a 'western' style level of welfare. But when this happens that'll cause tremendous problems for the Chinese economy. Being that the latter is based on virtually zero social protection, the demands for such protection will increase the costs, lower the profits and thus stabilise the miraculous growth of China. There is also the factor of 'overdrive', being that the Chinese economy from time to time overheats. Furthermore it's important to realise why China is getting so wealthy: us. It's our consumer-society fueling their economy, the so-called rise of Asia (and most of all thus China) would imply our western society suffering setbacks, but such setback would harm the Chinese economy as they need us to prosper to buy their goods.

A separate factor finally is the very structure of the world itself: globalisation/interdependance. Never before has the world been this globalised (we've evidently had a few earlier globalisations/mondialisations) before, this makes it a lot harder to see previous patterns returning. Europe once shook of its shackles of the east at the end of the middle ages, today ppl say the reverse is happening, Asia is reclaiming its rightfull place with the west only forcefully could brake away from (the whole colonisation/industrialisation issue). But today IMO interdependance is on whole new level, I therefore doubt that all of a sudden a new player will arise, casting the others in the 'abyss'.

So though I'm not questioning the rise of Asia - with China in the lead - but I doubt it will be this dramatic. There are various factors, both internal and external that'll form brakes on their rise to the top. Both EU and USA will continue to be a part of the big players, I therefore doubt we're moving to a unilateral world under Asian supremacy, but rather it will be a multilateral world, with a much stronger Asian player.

[Red_Praetoria]

See how dumb Americans really are?

Here's a whole topic and their only reply as a nation, is entirely based on a reply I made about Americans. Is this tunnel vision or mild mental retardation?

I never said I hated Americans or this country, I just think most of them are mildly retarded, and the proof is in the pudding*

*pudding is a soft treat designed as easy-to-eat for the average and simple American

Actually you failed to see the fact I replied to your question and insulted you to. Id also like to point out that the other people countering your stupid remarks were entirely justified. Can you imagine the explosion on this forum if I started spamming the kind of crap you do except about Europe?

Btw if you had any intelligance at all you would realize that all countires have less intelligent people.

As for Asian expansion and colonialism. Sometimes its out of necessity, like the nomads of the past, and sometimes its just the power trip that comes with...power.

Unless all of Asia unifys they dont have much chance of freely colonizing 3rd world countries of their choice. Like I said atm the days of empire building are gone.