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    From the AP via CNN
    The U.S. religious marketplace is extremely volatile, with nearly half of American adults leaving the faith tradition of their upbringing to either switch allegiances or abandon religious affiliation altogether, a new survey finds.

    The study released Monday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life is unusual for it sheer scope, relying on interviews with more than 35,000 adults to document a diverse and dynamic U.S. religious population.


    While much of the study confirms earlier findings -- mainline Protestant churches are in decline, non-denominational churches are gaining and the ranks of the unaffiliated are growing -- it also provides a deeper look behind those trends, and of smaller religious groups.


    "The American religious economy is like a marketplace -- very dynamic, very competitive," said Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum. "Everyone is losing, everyone is gaining. There are net winners and losers, but no one can stand still. Those groups that are losing significant numbers have to recoup them to stay vibrant."

    The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey estimates the United States is 78 percent Christian and about to lose its status as a majority Protestant nation, at 51 percent and slipping.

    More than one-quarter of American adults have left the faith of their childhood for another religion or no religion at all, the survey found. Factoring in moves from one stream or denomination of Protestantism to another, the number rises to 44 percent.

    One in four adults ages 18 to 29 claim no affiliation with a religious institution.
    "In the past, certain religions had a real holding power, where people from one generation to the next would stay," said Penn State University sociologist Roger Finke, who consulted in the survey planning. "Right now, there is a dropping confidence in organized religion, especially in the traditional religious forms."
    Lugo said the 44 percent figure is "a very conservative estimate," and more research is planned to determine the causes.

    "It does seem in keeping with the high tolerance among Americans for change," Lugo said. "People move a lot, people change jobs a lot. It's a very fluid society."
    The religious demographic benefiting the most from this religious churn is those who claim no religious affiliation. People moving into that category outnumber those moving out of it by a three-to-one margin.

    The majority of the unaffiliated -- 12 percent of the overall population -- describe their religion as "nothing in particular," and about half of those say faith is at least somewhat important to them. Atheists or agnostics account for 4 percent of the total population.

    The Roman Catholic Church has lost more members than any faith tradition because of affiliation swapping, the survey found. While nearly one in three Americans were raised Catholic, fewer than one in four say they're Catholic today. That means roughly 10 percent of all Americans are ex-Catholics.

    The share of the population that identifies as Catholic, however, has remained fairly stable in recent decades thanks to an influx of immigrant Catholics, mostly from Latin America. Nearly half of all Catholics under 30 are Hispanic, the survey found.

    On the Protestant side, changes in affiliation are swelling the ranks of nondenominational churches, while Baptist and Methodist traditions are showing net losses.

    Many Americans have vague denominational ties at best. People who call themselves "just a Protestant," in fact, account for nearly 10 percent of all Protestants.

    Although evangelical churches strive to win new Christian believers from the "unchurched," the survey found most converts to evangelical churches were raised Protestant.

    Hindus claimed the highest retention of childhood members, at 84 percent. The group with the worst retention is one of the fastest growing -- Jehovah's Witnesses. Only 37 percent of those raised in the sect known for door-to-door proselytizing said they remain members.

    Among other findings involving smaller religious groups, more than half of American Buddhists surveyed were white, and most Buddhists were converts.
    More people in the survey pool identified themselves as Buddhist than Muslim, although both populations were small -- less than 1 percent of the total population. By contrast, Jews accounted for 1.7 percent of the overall population.

    The self-identified Buddhists -- 0.7 percent of those surveyed -- illustrate a core challenge to estimating religious affiliation: What does affiliation mean?

    It's unclear whether people who called themselves Buddhists did so because they practice yoga or meditation, for instance, or claim affiliation with a Buddhist institution.

    The report does not project membership figures for religious groups, in part because the survey is not as authoritative as a census and didn't count children, Lugo said. The U.S. Census does not ask questions on religion.
    This is a good thing in my book, more people are questioning things, and hopefully secularism is on the rise.

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    I'm ecstatic.

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    It shocks me that only 4 percent are decidedly irreligious though.

    Way to dump all your loons on us, Britain.

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    You don't have to be irreligious, just so long as you aren't, for lack of other phrases, "preaching the word", you're just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat View Post
    You don't have to be irreligious, just so long as you aren't, for lack of other phrases, "preaching the word", you're just fine.
    I agree, I respect what people believe and everything, but if they get preachy it annoys the crap out of me. Or if they get mad because I'm not a "believer".
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    I know, but it's the fact that only ~4% say that they're atheists/agnostics. As opposed to what? 4-5 times that in the UK?

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    The UK's an anomaly. Plus we're super awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyam Popat View Post
    The UK's an anomaly.
    There are more in France and Scandinavia, if my education is correct.

    Plus we're super awesome.
    Eh, I'm English by ancestry so I'll agree.

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    Yeah, and the Czech Rep. and Estonia, I believe.

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    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
    US is near the very bottom of developed countries.

    Top 10 Countries with Highest Proportion of Atheists (Greeley/Jagodzinski, 1991)
    Country / Percent Atheist
    East Germany 88.20%
    Slovenia 29.80
    Russia 27.30
    Israel 25.60
    Netherlands 24.10
    Hungary 23.30
    Norway 14.90
    Britain 14.00
    West Germany 12.10
    New Zealand 11.50


    Same nations in 2005
    Country / Percent Atheist
    Germany 41 - 49%
    Slovenia 35 - 38%
    Russia 24 - 48%
    Israel 15 - 37%
    Netherlands 39 - 44%
    Hungary 32 - 46%
    Norway 31 - 72%
    Britain 31 - 44%
    Germany 41 - 49%
    New Zealand 20 - 22%

    Note East Germany didn't actually go down, as it merged with west Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
    US is near the very bottom of developed countries.
    Developed Countries? Are you saying we have to be Atheist to be developed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamos32 View Post
    Developed Countries? Are you saying we have to be Atheist to be developed?
    Well, I think nobody can deny this that the more advanced a country the more irreligious tendency grows in its society. I guess maybe its all due to free-thinking mentality.


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    I hope you're right Boeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Well, I think nobody can deny this that the more advanced a country the more irreligious tendency grows in its society. I guess maybe its all due to free-thinking mentality.
    The freedom of thought and thought are not necessarily correlative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zenith Darksea View Post
    One thing that atheists must be careful about when trumpeting figures like these is that the majority of people who renounce religion do not do so through firm atheist or secularist conviction, merely through apathy. That is certainly the case in the UK.
    I like this Oswald Spengler quote:

    The press today is an army with carefully organized weapons, the journalists its officers, the readers its soldiers. But, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and the war aims and operating plans change without his knowledge. The reader neither knows nor is supposed to know the purposes for which he is used and the role he is to play. There is no more appalling caricature of freedom of thought. Formerly no one was allowed to think freely; now it is permitted, but no one is capable of it any more. Now people want to think only what they are supposed to want to think, and this they consider freedom.
    This forum is a good microcosm of society. Some people have unique ideas, the rest regurgitate old ones. Anyone can pick a side in an ideological food-fight but don't mistake freedom of thought for freedom of action or think that the former is a precondition for the latter. Any soldier can give a yes or no sir answer to any question you ask and this is what polls of the general population show: people's ability to answer questions when asked. Now, a follow-up to the yes or no question: "why?" is never asked because the answer can't be conveniently quantified on a pie chart but why people believe what they believe should be important to us. Most people won't answer why to my satisfaction and that's why I take public opinion with a grain of salt, I respect the right to an opinion but I only respect an educated, informed opinion specifically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruin View Post
    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html
    US is near the very bottom of developed countries.

    Top 10 Countries with Highest Proportion of Atheists (Greeley/Jagodzinski, 1991)
    Country / Percent Atheist
    East Germany 88.20%
    Slovenia 29.80
    Russia 27.30
    Israel 25.60
    Netherlands 24.10
    Hungary 23.30
    Norway 14.90
    Britain 14.00
    West Germany 12.10
    New Zealand 11.50


    Same nations in 2005
    Country / Percent Atheist
    Germany 41 - 49%
    Slovenia 35 - 38%
    Russia 24 - 48%
    Israel 15 - 37%
    Netherlands 39 - 44%
    Hungary 32 - 46%
    Norway 31 - 72%
    Britain 31 - 44%
    Germany 41 - 49%
    New Zealand 20 - 22%

    Note East Germany didn't actually go down, as it merged with west Germany.
    Norway, 31-72%. Honestly, who the hell gathered these stats?

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    Developed Countries? Are you saying we have to be Atheist to be developed?
    No... it just so happens the list is of developed nations

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    I misinterpreted that, my bad.

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    I switched!

    Don't see it as such a bad thing, though... My hope's orthodoxy becomes much stronger a force and presence in the days to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnec
    Don't see it as such a bad thing, though... My hope's orthodoxy becomes much stronger a force and presence in the days to come.
    Actually, you have no need to worry there. Orthodox Christianity is, and has been for about fifteen years or more now, the fastest-growing religion in America with a consistent growth rate of 6%. From what were very humble beginnings, the Orthodox Church has gained over 850,000 American converts from the mid-90s. When you consider that more than half of the Orthodox priests being trained in America are American converts, it says quite a lot, I think.

    One thing that atheists must be careful about when trumpeting figures like these is that the majority of people who renounce religion do not do so through firm atheist or secularist conviction, merely through apathy. That is certainly the case in the UK.

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    Italy is the lowest out of all large European nations.

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