Why do revolting provinces get stacks of super-troops?

[QuintusSertorius]

In my game I've taken and pillaged Bononia several times now (sometimes just because it was in the way). Each time it revolts back to Gaul, as is to be expected since I had no intention of holding it, and didn't station troops there.

But when it does revolt, it invariably seems to acquire a full stack of troops, and not just a full stack, most of them are veterans of 6-9 levels of experience. It wasn't a big province to begin with, so where do they come from? And why are the "rebel" troops so tough?

Agrigento has gone a similar way, I took it and lost it. Now that's a big city so that kind of makes sense, but why a little town?

[AqD]

Take a look at the EDB file. Rebel units have 4-6 experiences initially.....
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[QuintusSertorius]

But they weren't Rebel rebel troops (as in part of the Rebel faction). Agrigento went that way, but Bononia went back to being Gallic. Yet those Gallic "rebels" have gold chevrons.

[Salvor Hardin]

I think that it is coded that way in the game engine: when one settlement revolts to its original faction, the spawned troops tend to have high experience and upgrades and are a mix of mercenaries and of the available units that the faction can recruit at the government buildings.

[QuintusSertorius]

But in the case of Bononia, I destroyed every building that was destroy-able. So they couldn't have recruited anything there.

[Solaris]

Yeah, but the governor's building is what spawns them. That building is non-destroyable.

[QuintusSertorius]

Ah. Oh well, next time I won't capture the place, just destroy the troops. And make sure enough survive to re-garrison it.

[Solaris]

Alternatively, you could gift the settlement back to the original faction (with a little money for them to sweeten the deal, as they normally reject gifted cities), when they get the town back, they get a garrison, but it's usually smaller and definitely not veteran. This also means you can destroy the place too, when you take it.

[AqD]

Alternatively, you could gift the settlement back to the original faction (with a little money for them to sweeten the deal, as they normally reject gifted cities), when they get the town back, they get a garrison, but it's usually smaller and definitely not veteran. This also means you can destroy the place too, when you take it.

Hmm I tried it, giving to the gauls. And guess its garrison troops?



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[QuintusSertorius]

Giving them back has worked well. They still get "bonus" troops, but they're not super-veterans.

I've just created a new fun game for myself with gifting factions provinces I've bribed away from others. Just did that with Galatia, giving it to the Gauls.

[Preskinn]

Giving them back has worked well. They still get "bonus" troops, but they're not super-veterans.

I've just created a new fun game for myself with gifting factions provinces I've bribed away from others. Just did that with Galatia, giving it to the Gauls.

How much money does it cost you doing that? Is it easy to make the balance between factions better that way? Making the Iberians, and greeks stronger for example

[Brusilov]

How much money does it cost you doing that? Is it easy to make the balance between factions better that way? Making the Iberians, and greeks stronger for example

When your empire gets beyond a certain size it's very easy to generate income. Especially, if you control the Aegean area.

When I've been in such a position I have been able to bribe settlements and gift them to slow down another faction. I guess it's one way to help out an ally against a common enemy. I also gift my allies cash every now and then.

I had a Roman RTR 6 Gold campaign which was netting around 50K per turn. I killed my economy by recruiting an 'elephant army' from all over the map - Indian Elephants, Asian Elephants etc. It wasn't very effective against the multiple stacks in Britain as they had too many missile troops.

[QuintusSertorius]

How much money does it cost you doing that? Is it easy to make the balance between factions better that way? Making the Iberians, and greeks stronger for example

Creating Galatia cost me 14000 denarii all told. Ten to buy it, four to bribe the Gauls into taking it. Given it's basically a Gallic settlement anyway, it didn't revolt when they took over, and they can use everything there. Now ten plus turns later it's still there and has a full stack of troops in it. Be interesting to see if the Seleucids try to get it back.

Macedonia is a harder nut to crack; almost none of their provinces seem open to bribery. Instead I just sent a legion to take southern Greece and then gifted them all back to the Greek Cities. End result (and six turns before GC had just Crete):

[Quinn Inuit]

Luca the Killer! I love it. Great name for a Roman assassin. He sounds like one of Dan Brown's bad guys.

Speaking of Galatia, any suggestions for units for them? I've been trying to come up with something unique. So far, all my research has come up with is that they often fought naked (already got it), were heavily armed as mercs (already got it), and had chariots (got those, too).

[Pat89]

Luca the Killer! I love it. Great name for a Roman assassin. He sounds like one of Dan Brown's bad guys.

Speaking of Galatia, any suggestions for units for them? I've been trying to come up with something unique. So far, all my research has come up with is that they often fought naked (already got it), were heavily armed as mercs (already got it), and had chariots (got those, too).

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/dba45.html

Somewhere in the middle you will find "Army composition". I hope it helps you

[Quinn Inuit]

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/dba45.html

Somewhere in the middle you will find "Army composition". I hope it helps you

Sorry, already read that. It only has a few unit types, all of which we're already employing. Thank you for looking it up, though.

[Preskinn]

hehe wow cool that you ressurected the greecs ^^

I'm planning on cheating to get lot's of money and balancing the map as I go in my new campaign gifting a 500k to the greeks and Iberians, Armenians, Parthians and Bactrians should help to make the mapa bit unusual

[QuintusSertorius]

hehe wow cool that you ressurected the greecs ^^

I'm planning on cheating to get lot's of money and balancing the map as I go in my new campaign gifting a 500k to the greeks and Iberians, Armenians, Parthians and Bactrians should help to make the mapa bit unusual

You're probably better off giving them a regular tribute of a smaller amount, not sure they can actually soak up that much cash without going completely corrupt and ineffective. Besides the money cheat will only give you 50k max.

[Solaris]

40k actually, pretty annoying. I often wonder what affect my financing does, I've been giving the Britons and Ptolemaics 100k gifts every so often and they don't seem to be investing it anything, troops or buildings.

[Preskinn]

ok roger that. Will try with regular tributes then