Command, Loyalty, Piety, Chivalry & Dread... What do they really do?

[Miraj]

Pretty simple topic. I'd like to flesh out specifically all the effects of the following "attributes" all characters have:

Command
Loyalty
Piety
Chivalry
Dread

While they seem so simple I really don't know all the real effects that these items have in-game. How do they effect your battles, governance, taxes, growth, conversion? etc etc

Lets discuss.

[Lonck]

command = morale for troops, loyalty = bribe don't work and he won't run off to join other factions, piety = increases religion conversions for that settlement, chivalry = positive reputation, dread = negative reputation

[craziii]

I will type what I know off the top of my head, feel free to correct/add.

command: morale boost, also determines autoresolve winning chance, not sure if it affect casualty rates or not.

loyalty: nothing else as far as I can tell besides the chance for general to defect/be bribed.

piety: low piety will give a settlement more religious unrest. not sure what high piety does though? lowers religious unrest?

chivalry: increase settlement order + increase pop growth, not sure about the exact numbers. morale boost in battles.

dread: increase public order through fear. high chance of routing hostile units due to your high dread general's presence.

flashing trade icons can either mean you are gaining that much trade from the buildings you have queued up in the build menu, or you are loosing that much trade the next turn due to lost of trade agreement, or anything else that hinders trade.

please feel free to add or correct.

[PNR Blaster]

I think 1 point of chivralry gives 0.5% growth to a settlement (sorry my english)

Chivraly also gives more moral to your own troops in Battle

Dread is the opposite in settlemente, - 0.5%, and in battle more dread makes enemy troops losse moral

I remember when i have a general or more usualy a king that have maximum Dread and enemys flee from battle much easy..

[pwijnands]

I've never seen dread give negative growth bonusses, only "fear" bonus which is similar to happiness bonusses.
Dread/chivalry itself also has nothing to do with reputation. Giving all your generals 10 dread by using cheats won't give you any reputation hit at all.

[Lonck]

"I always release prisoners which raises chivalry = high reputation."

[TzuDevil]

I am curious about these too. The basic observable effects are fairly obvious... but what files reference these numbers? Can you mod a file to change the effects of these indicators?

Cheers!

[Titus le Chmakus]

Any precise idea about what Loyalty exactly does ? With possibly ingame values ? Is it possible to set it to a fixed value for a certain faction ?

By the way I know that Piety increases income as it is now the old Managment in RTW + the new religion stat too ...

[Gigantus]

Any precise idea about what Loyalty exactly does ? With possibly ingame values ? Is it possible to set it to a fixed value for a certain faction ?

By the way I know that Piety increases income as it is now the old Managment in RTW + the new religion stat too ...

Piety increases income? That's utter news to me. Do explain, is it via reduced corruption?

Loyalty is a measurement (counter token) for the desertion\rebellion\revolt mechanism on a scale of 0 to 10. You can limit loyalty levels with simple triggers, eg if loyalty > x then x-1

You do realize this thread is 8 years old?

[Titus le Chmakus]

Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh something I know that Gig does not !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Piety is the old RTW managment + the religion system of Med2 ! Try adding piety to a governor and you will see the income increase. So as I've removed all the vanilla religious stuff, I can use it as real Managment stat.

Thanks for Loyalty but how precisely does the game mechanic works on rebelling generals ? Because that is exactly what I'm interested in and I would like to balance it correctly ...

I do realize this post is 8 years old ... But why creating a new one ? It had just the title I needed !

[Gigantus]

You are correct, now at least I know where the 'admin' tax income comes from.

With two piety William generated 19 Admin income in London - of a total of 1004, approximately 1.9% increase
With seven piety that went up to 68 income and an increase of 6.9% (based on 985 before admin income)

Which suggests one piety = one percent tax income increase, base tax income was only 702. Would require more testing with other income compositions to confirm.




Loyalty is a modifying\multiplying factor for calculations, eg when bribing:
<briber_attribute_divisor float="3.0"/>
<bribee_attribute_divisor float="3.0"/>

or revolting (max value of loyalty used for calculations):
<max_effective_loyalty float = "10.0"/>

[Titus le Chmakus]

Yeah I haven't done any precise testing to know the exact gain, but I have made some traits for governors like GoodManager ... But you need to remove all the religious concerns of vanilla from your game, otherwise the governor will be super pious ...

About the revolt, do you kow a bit more the mechanics on how a city/army revolts ?

And another question about Command : does a general having over 10 in Command really has the value that is not displayed ? I mean if for example, all the traits and ancillaries really gives the general 14 Command stars, the game only displays 10, but does the calculation for morale takes count of 10 or 14 ?

[Gigantus]

I am afraid I don't have detailed answers to your two questions. The AI guys might be able to shed light on the first one.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Ok I'll ask then

Thanks

[Titus le Chmakus]

Edit :

Do you know any Trait Trigger that could restet the Attribute in case in goes over a certain value ?

Something like

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalbyzantium
  WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

  Condition AgentType = named character
        and CharFactionType byzantium
        and Attribute Loyalty > 3

Affects *something that could reduce the Loyalty to 3* Chance 100

Any idea folkes ? Thanks

[Gigantus]

Create a hidden trait that only deducts\reduces loyalty. You may have to use a multi level one if there are traits\ancillaries that give multiple level loyalty increase.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Something like that ?

;------------------------------------------
Trait LoyaltyDecreaser1
    Characters family
    Hidden
    
    Level Decreaser1
        Description Decreaser1_desc
        EffectsDescription Decreaser1_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
        Effect Loyalty -1
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait LoyaltyDecreaser2
    Characters family
    Hidden
    
    Level Decreaser2
        Description Decreaser2_desc
        EffectsDescription Decreaser2_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
        Effect Loyalty -2
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait LoyaltyDecreaser3
    Characters family
    Hidden
    
    Level Decreaser3
        Description Decreaser3_desc
        EffectsDescription Decreaser3_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
        Effect Loyalty -3
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait LoyaltyDecreaser4
    Characters family
    Hidden
    
    Level Decreaser4
        Description Decreaser4_desc
        EffectsDescription Decreaser4_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
        Effect Loyalty -4
        
;------------------------------------------
Trait LoyaltyDecreaser5
    Characters family
    Hidden
    
    Level Decreaser5
        Description Decreaser5_desc
        EffectsDescription Decreaser5_effects_desc
        Threshold 1
        
        Effect Loyalty -5

[Gigantus]

Individual 'decreasers' are fine, too, probably easier to write triggers for.

[Titus le Chmakus]

Sorry to post this here but Gig, can you please empty your PM box, I cannot reply and I'm still blocked to post my triggers ... Despite doing what you advised.

[Gigantus]

I need a bigger mail box, 22K posts just isn't enough space