Ok...The Kingdoms patch was announced almost six months ago...So where the **** is it?

[Roman Rapper]

Warning all on the world wide web: there's a new craze affecting us all.
Nowdays in the game industry releasing unfinished games is seen as cool.
I'm getting so tired of Kingdoms not doing what it's supposed to do.
I'm feeling like I have been cheated, and maybe so should you.

So now I'm in this forum all angry and stuff, there must be something wrong.
A long time ago they said it was coming, so why is it taking so long?

I'm on the internet and I'm blaming everyone.
I wont stop complaining until the patch is done.
Deep breath, tablets, glass of Evian.
What went wrong? I'm asking everyone.

You have no right to expect them to
answer your mail or even care about you
you already bought their game, so what can you do?

People please be reasonable

How are SEGA gonna make their G's
working on a patch for which they get no fees
never mind that their wealth is already obscene

Do you deem that feasible?


I need to get to the bottom of this.
Whoevers at the bottom is at the top of my list.
These delays make me think they don't care.
But I paid £20 quid, is that fair?

A guy called Sega is the one who's teasing? Alright then, well I'll go see him
I found him, I said "if you keep teasing, I'll steal your other games free then"
SEGA laughed and said "you can't do that you fool
I'm a big hypocrite I steal from you
but I don't want you to steal from me
because ivory back scratchers don't come for free"


The industry is sick and it needs a surgeon.
With all these unfinished games emerging.
Can't be bothered to make a patch; already diverging
Vanilla Kingdoms couldn't satisfy a gaming virgin

You have no right to expect them to
answer your mail or even care about you
you already bought their game so what can you do?

People please be reasonable

How are SEGA gonna make their G's
working on a patch for which they get no fees
never mind that their wealth is already obscene

Do you deem that feasible?

[roy34543]

Your either just
A- Threatening with no real substance
B- Using it as an excuse to pirate like most people, Not realizing that the reason why your getting mostly crappy console ports is because of it. Computer games will still exist in the future, but not as much . Saying Omg it doesnt work it has one tiny error i hate it! So ill illegally steal the next game! I mean who are you trying to fool? Your doing something morally wrong. Go ahead and do it , Dont use a stupid patch as a reason to cover up what you want to do anyway .
Course your not serious about most of it, but if you mean anything that you said thats what i feel. People dont pirate because they feel games may be bad, they do it because theyre perfectly happy about stelaing they dont get punished with until all the good games run out because noones willing to spend money on a game everyone will pirate anyway .

[Lord Condormanius]

While I don't condone piracy in any way, shape or form...nor do I care for this...erm, rap (I guess that is what is trying to happen here), the sentiment holds true. It is pretty frustrating that CA's past two releases were not as advertised...and it appears that little to no effort has been done to rectify the glaring errors that are present in the games...especially Kingdoms.

[roy34543]

Only the teutonic campaign would really fall on the heading of "badly buggy" in my opinion. Thats just because of the kalmar bug and the semi-reifle arquebusiers though . (remember both are just one small letters missing in the text!)

[Lord Condormanius]

Only the teutonic campaign would really fall on the heading of "badly buggy" in my opinion. Thats just because of the kalmar bug and the semi-reifle arquebusiers though . (remember both are just one small letters missing in the text!)

The Britannia Campaign is bugged with Wales reinforcements. The Crusades campaign is bugged with the forts. I'm sure there are others, but not off the top of my head.

The severity of the bugs is not the issue. The issue is that CA advertises certain things that they do not deliver. The average user doesn't know how to mod the game to make it work right, nor should they have to.

[RMSN NIKE]

Kalmar Union and Walsh Reinforcement bugs are fixed. The links are in the middle of the first page of Bug Report stickyed on the top the page.

[Lord Condormanius]

Kalmar Union and Walsh Reinforcement bugs are fixed. The links are in the middle of the first page of Bug Report stickyed on the top the page.

I'm not talking about a mod community fix. That is not the point. The point is that it should not be up to the consumer to fix CA's errors.

[roy34543]

Well modding text is always tricky, worse things then kingdoms have been released. The main problem of course is the fact that missing just one letter can destroy everything.

[Lord Condormanius]

Well modding text is always tricky, worse things then kingdoms have been released.

Again, it doesn't do it any justice that worse things have been released. The op's point still stands: CA released a buggy game that doesn't have all of the features that they promised.

The main problem of course is the fact that missing just one letter can destroy everything.

CA should have higher quality standards than modders who do this work for nothing. I know the ins and outs of modding, but that kind of knowledge should not be a prerequisite to buying a game. You should be able to expect to get what you pay for and enjoy it out of the box.

[RMSN NIKE]

Maybe they left some errors in on purpose since this game is modder friendly. I might me wrong, but the TW games, Medieval I for me, was the first game I was able to mod on my own. While, actually around similar time as EU 2. Nobody going to use this new and easy to learn to use feature if they made a perfect game. If they left a few annoying but not major problems in a very liked and highly addictive game, the more knowledgeable people will start to fix the problem. And these people will teach the less knowledgeable people, like me, to learn to make the game more enjoyable to themselves. And as a consequence, groups started to form to make mods to the games they made, which in turn, with variety will attract more new players who would buy more of their vanilla games, then diverge into mods. Or the long time player has to buy the game again when their old CD broke/scratched/lost/stepped on by little brother, sister or any little relatives, since these long time players do not want to stop playing these good, but excellent with mod, games.

This might just a theory. But if I was wrong on TW was the first strategy game to come with mod features and has a strong following, more then EU 2 at least, please tell me. At least I think Warcraft 1 - 3, Starcraft, not sure about 2 yet, and AOE 1 and 2, do not have 3 can not be modded. I will rethink it.

[Lord Condormanius]

Maybe they left some errors in on purpose since this game is modder friendly. I might me wrong, but the TW games, Medieval I for me, was the first game I was able to mod on my own. While, actually around similar time as EU 2. Nobody going to use this new and easy to learn to use feature if they made a perfect game. If they left a few annoying but not major problems in a very liked and highly addictive game, the more knowledgeable people will start to fix the problem. And these people will teach the less knowledgeable people, like me, to learn to make the game more enjoyable to themselves. And as a consequence, groups started to form to make mods to the games they made, which in turn, with variety will attract more new players who would buy more of their vanilla games, then diverge into mods. Or the long time player has to buy the game again when their old CD broke/scratched/lost/stepped on by little brother, sister or any little relatives, since these long time players do not want to stop playing these good, but excellent with mod, games.

This might just a theory. But if I was wrong on TW was the first strategy game to come with mod features and has a strong following, more then EU 2 at least, please tell me. At least I think Warcraft 1 - 3, Starcraft, not sure about 2 yet, and AOE 1 and 2, do not have 3 can not be modded. I will rethink it.

There is no way in hell they intentionally left errors. Modders make up only a fraction of the people who buy and play the games. Why on earth would the company intentionally damage its reputation and frustrate the majority of consumers just to suit a relatively few modders? It just doesn't make sense. Besides, modders are going to mod the game, regardless of whether or not CA leaves annoyances for them to fix.

Aside from that, the idea behind modding is not to fix bugs. People mod in order to customize the game, not to fix errors.

[Surgeon]

Nice rap dude.

But to the topic at hand, yes, I've also been wondering about that patch. There's just so many bugs all over the place that it's frustrating. If this were an unofficial mod then I would have expected as much. Then I would have reported the bugs to the modders so they could fix it, and the worst part about it is that they probably would have. CA not only spat out a broken game, they also didn't fix it as promised.

[Mig el Pig]

Nice rap dude.

It's a moded version of Sway's song Download.

back OT:

I do sometimes wonder a bit how certain bugs managed to get through testing(like the siege bug)
or certain balance issues like Milan.

[Monsieur Alphonse]

They are working on it:

This is from SenseiTW (29 february) at the COM

Hi guys,

First of all, apologies for my limited presence on the forums in recent weeks. I have been doing a lot of press demos around Europe and so haven't had as much time to spend with you as I'd like. I do however continue to read all of your messages and emails, and appreciate your feedback.

The latest news on the Kingdoms Update is that CA Oz has just submitted the release candidate to SEGA to begin their own phase of testing. If all continues to go well (which we hope it will), we can then start planning for its release.

Rest assured that we have made every effort to address as many issues as possible, and taken the time needed to ensure it was done properly.

Have a good weekend,

Mark

[Valbruch]

I'm not talking about a mod community fix. That is not the point. The point is that it should not be up to the consumer to fix CA's errors.

I couldn't agree more. Let me give one example. I bought Kingdoms some time ago, as did three of my friends. We were all enjoying the game, but we did encouter some problems we thought to be bugs (Kalmar union, Welsh reinforcemets), yet since our modding abilities are non-existant, there was nothing we could do.
But I was still wondering if there wasn't someone skilled with modding who might have fixed these issues. So I did some searching and found these forums. Moments after I did indeed found both fixes. And much more. Then I told my friends whereto find these fixes and we still enjoy the game today.

And what is the point of this most interesting story ?
If I hadn't find this site, we would still be playing bugged and incomplete game. It was left for modders to fix issues and for gamers to find and install these fixes. It is as if you bought a new car and seller told you: ''Hey buddy, you know, this is a fine car but don't mind those missing wheels. You can fix them yourself. And if you cannot, there are people who can. Or you could wait three months and we will give you your wheels. Well, probably only three of them, but it's still better then nothing, right ?''(patch 1.5 for Kingdoms released.)

But unfortunately, releasing buggy and incomplete games is somethingof a habbit nowadays.

[NobleNick]

Oh, why do we at the store sit and wait,
and smear the glass with our noses while for midnight we wait,
to be the first to elbow our way through the gate,
to buy a game that's not ready for you?

Oh, yes, WE were ready, that we'll relate,
like a hound that is baying for his chance to mate,
And tugging at clerks and on their shoes salivate,
To get a game that's not ready for you.

It's "Pppfftt!!" to the critics, their advice we do hate
Opinions of fellow gamers? Acckk! A day we can't wait.
It's NOW that We must our appetite sate
With a game that's not ready for you.

OH! How we did of a perfect toy dream.
But over a few bugs we rant and we scream.
Our folly is CA's fault! On them rant and ream,
for releasing a game that's not ready, boo hoo.

Useless tis whining, about how much it did grate,
Because our money they have taken and already ate,
And we paid full price to dive into our fate.
for a game that's not ready for you.

With the judgement of a man who's tanked too many a brew
We've flushed our money right down the lou.
And now we wonder just what we can do
about a game that's not ready for you.

Listen, my friend, and do not be irate.
Once you lay down your money, it is too late.
Cast your economic vote only after using your pate.
Don't buy a game that's not ready for you.

Next time around keep your hands on your coin.
And unlike the hound, who is always a going,
think with your head, and not with your groin:
Wait............... til the game is ready for you.

[ColdFire]

That's why Stardock are the best PC game developers,they release patches very often, with huge updates. Including, and I'm not exaggerating, a whole new graphic engine, and remaking entire mechanises for the game. you can even speak to their employees, live chats with a developer, nearly all the time.

[Gary88]

when and for what purpose did rap become an acceptbale medium to make tedious arguments about game issues? (or any issue)

[NobleNick]

when and for what purpose did rap become an acceptbale medium to make tedious arguments about game issues? (or any issue)

I don't know the answer to your question.

But, in case the question was prompted in part by my post, please be advised that I don't rap. I posted a poem.

If you substituted the word 'poem' for 'rap' in the above question; then I suspect the answer would be: something on the order of 3000 years or when games started, whichever came last.

[Ojf]

for those of you who are talking about community patches, we shouldnt have to rely on the fans to fix the game, i was exited untill i realised the things that made me exited about the game didnt work, and tbh i dont think there is even going to be a patch, thats why they gave us early screenshots of empires, to make most of us forget about it and think that empires is going to be released soon, but it wont, the next time a mass of people want the patch and are starting to complain, they will just feed us another screenshot, i havent played kingdoms ever since i bought it