Should The Palestineans Have an Armed Forces?

[Exarch]

Should the interim government of the Palestinean National Authority be 'allowed' to form its own armed forces?

Personally, i think it'd be a great idea, namely because having a formal armed forces makes individuals accountable for their own actions, thereby decreasing so called 'terroristic attacks'.
Furthermore, i think a Palestinean Defence Force (PDF) would be able to more adequately defend its own territories/people against any further Israeli aggression, justified or not.

Discuss.

[roy34543]

Yes. And i hope they someday begin to use it to moniter their own terrorists and stop them.
even failing that they should have one though.

[Exarch]

namely because having a formal armed forces makes individuals accountable for their own actions, thereby decreasing so called 'terroristic attacks'

[Каие]

Yes. And i hope they someday begin to use it to moniter their own terrorists and stop them.
even failing that they should have one though.

Agreed.

[Chaigidel]

yes I would love for them to have a formal military which the Israeli's could target and totally destroy if they step out of line, if it was used for anything but palestinian terrorist suppression it would mean the palestinians do not deserve life or land.

but I say give them the chance but if even one rocket flies after that , deals off everyone dies.

[roy34543]

Oh . i also support it because an armed mobilized army attacking Isreal would be extremely easy to defeat, and may give some people the understanding that ive been trying to give them all along, That the palestenians would kill Isreal if they werent a bunch of incomptent people who cant pick their own leader properly and always argue among themselves.
Course, I doubt they would. The blatant anti-isrealis on this forum wouldnt change their mind if a nuke was dropped on America to try and tell them to stop giving Isreal funding. I can see it now
"Well they had it coming to them! After all they gave about 3 billion a year to Isreal. No the 3,000,000 innocents killed and the fallout are irrelevent! Isreal deserves to not receive any aid!"
Not everyone is like that obviously, but i can see some people that i think definitly would be.
In other words, Win-win situation, Crappy army that will cause less terrorist attacks because they all enlist instead, and increasing Isreals reputation when they attack and get crushed, or even if they dont then it would increase it so that it shows Isreal thinks they do have basic rights.

[Icefrisco]

I think they should have an army but in a few years because its very possible terrorists could take control of the army if it were formed now.

[Exarch]

i would love to see just how 'chosen by god' the jewish Israelites are, once Americaid funding ceases indefinately and suddenly.

[Heinz Guderian]

i would love to see just how 'chosen by god' the jewish Israelites are, once Americaid funding ceases indefinately and suddenly.

i dont think thats gonna happen anytime soon. I read the Israeli government wants the aid paid in euros not dollars because of the weak dollar. good for the euro i guess.

[Georgy Zhukov]

i would love to see just how 'chosen by god' the jewish Israelites are, once Americaid funding ceases indefinately and suddenly.

American aid or not, Im Israeli, and jewish, and I would gladly fight any invaders whether it be with an M4 of a stick, don't think if American aid to Israel stopped we would suddenly roll over. BTW just because your Jewish doesn't mean you suddenly have a superiority conflict, maybe if you were ultra orthodox I know no secular conservative or reform Jew who thinks they're any more loved then a Christian or a Muslim in God's eyes;.

[Ma'ahes]

Well Exarch, it'd prolly be an even fight if you also took out the US aid to the rest of the ME. Israel does have some of the best military technology native to Israel. See: Uzi, Tavor, Merkava, etc...plus, they have one of the best air forces around.

As for the topic, it'd be nice for the PLO to have an armed forces, although it'd be tricky for a major reason...they aren't a true state. The modern definition of a state is that you have the sole legal use of force w/in your domain. Kinda hard when Israel can just come a-knockin' whenever they feel it necessary. So, I'd say yes if the PLO can bring Gaza into the fold and have a coherent front to the world. However, the current situation does not warrant giving such use of force to a splintered group. Their police forces should have to do for now.

[roy34543]

Foolish . You just wait until you see the egyptians without american aid.
Isreal is a stale economy and has most od the things stable and can cut costs easy enough.
Try egypt, without its aid (which is more btw) it cant support its army, The people will likely riot and the gazans will break through the wall and flood the country and cause various problems.
Isreal is going to be 100% fine if it stops. 3 Billion is nothing for isreal except help.
For egypt its practically its lifeblood. No offense exarch, but i doubt you know much about Isreals economy if you think it will even be remotely damaged by it, It goes for military spending. If it stops Isreal sells weapons to china and gains money anyway .

[Chaigidel]

maybe it would strengthen the dollar if we ceased all foreign aid immediately

[roy34543]

Not really. Unless you pay farmers not to produce ethanol out of corn and stop the subprime mortgage crisis.

[Chaigidel]

well with all that extra cash maybe we could, and perhaps pay off some of our debt. the corn ethanol thing is gonna vanish in the next 20 years because of newer organic fuel tech.

[roy34543]

Hmm. Weak dollar for the next 20 years.
Well all foreign aid stopping would probably add you money, but not nearly enough to pay off 1/3rd of the worlds corn to stop eing turned into methanol/ethanol, as youd effectively have to buy them the the cost of the ethanol, And youd need to do it every year.
As far as im concerned its too late to doo much about the rising housing cost though. Too late now and you suffer the weak dollar. Though all the world economy is weakening except in developing countries.

[Dr. Croccer]

Err, Hamas?

[Каие]

Err, Hamas?

What about them?

[Dr. Croccer]

What about them?

They are more army than party.

[Каие]

They are more army than party.

No, Hamas armed wing is called the Al-Qassam Brigade. or is it Al-Quds ? One of them, Hamas is a political party/organisation thing.