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    Republics, for the most part, do not get along well with history.

    Now, what could I possibly mean by that? Well, for one, let's take a look at the findings the Telegraph reported. Over a fifth of the canvassed teenagers in the study reported that Sir Winston Churchill, one of the United Kingdom's most distinguished heroes, did not exist. Why? Because 77% of them did not open a history book, and 61% said they'd rather flip channels than watch a historical or educational broadcast.

    Now, considering that this massive failure in education is happening amidst a constitutional monarchy, shouldn't we assume that this is another of those supposed "failures" the republicans shout about like a pack of rabid dogs?

    No. On the contrary, this increasing failure can be mostly attributed to the constant desire of republicans to lower the educational threshold. If it hasn't been intentional on their part, then it nonetheless fits in with their agenda quite well. It is a situation that, contrary to popular conception, is not limited to the decaying United Kingdom, but is rather prominent in such republics as the United States, Panama, Colombia, and other such followers of the outdated diatribe of a long-dead idealist (cough-Jefferson-cough).

    Go to each of these countries (I dare you) and ask the average teenager about their pre-Republican history. The result, I can guarantee you, is nothing short of drop dead dreadful. The average teenager in the United States is taught to believe that the American Revolution broke out entirely on the grounds of liberty, freedom, and all those pretty words, but fail to mention that a good deal of the reasoning behind the treason they committed was their unwillingness to pay taxes that the Crown had every right to demand, since they [the Crown] had funded most of the war effort in the Americas during the Seven Years War.

    In fact, the very demands for a regional Parliament were, at the time, completely outrageous, considering there wasn't a single precedent to justify Parliament granting them any such thing.

    Every period of history from there on is simply an exercise in revisionist history, where the USA is the battle-hardened colossus whose very touch is like Midas' touch of gold, except replace gold for utter failure, and you get the approximate results of every situation in which the US has ever meddled, with the only exceptions being those few events where the plan they designed actually worked (such as the Marshall Plan).

    But back to the problem at hand.

    The republicans will, undoubtedly, blame the Crown, somehow, for this atrocious drop in intelligence amongst the wayward teenage population of the United Kingdom. In fact, you can bet your grandmummy's hidden stash of cash under the mattress that they're jumping on their revolving chairs right now trying to find a way to spin it in their favour. The best thing they could do, however, is just sit back and watch as Labour's educational policies of total failure continue to degrade the very social fabric of the United Kingdom.

    Why is that, you ask? Well, I'm glad you asked.

    See, Republics thrive on the uneducated. It's basically a requirement for its electorate. The basis of their thought pattern, I believe, is that the less the people know, the more they can get away with (case in point, George W. Bush and Mireya Moscoso). Anyone smarter than the average Joe, then, is then considered a dangerous radical, and god forbid you criticize the government, at which point you're simply a traitorous lout who has no sense of patriotism.

    In fact, as a show of how little they expect of their electorate, I present to you the ultimate demonstration of how little they think of the people. The flag.

    That's right. The flag.

    An inanimate piece of cloth that has been dyed with pretty, shiny colours and is waved from a flagpole, then burned after a few weeks of being battered senseless by the weather. According to republicans, that piece of cloth that will probably be replaced in two weeks is the one thing you, the common man, should be paying undying loyalty to. Nevermind that it has no feelings, or a mind of its own; it's the flag. And if you've ever watched a crowd in a republic gather around a flagpole like mindless sheep to honour a flag, you'll find that's it remarkably similar to watching small children getting entertained by an adult waving shiny keys in front of them.

    It is, frankly, insulting that any rational human being would ask me, personally, to swear allegiance to something that’s not even alive. A human being, on the other hand, I can deal with. I could even disagree with him/her. I could make my own rational opinion of the person’s worth, and even protest their actions. A human being can be redeemed, and made to rethink their actions. A flag, on the other hand, is not rational. It is not human. And therefore, it is nothing but a symbol that has absolutely no safeguards against abuse.

    Yet again, I seem to have gone off on a tangent, so let me digress.

    Education has always been a benchmark of constitutional monarchies. The basis of the constitutional monarchical society is that knowledge is power, and those who can are promoted, whereas those who can’t are not. It is not unfair; it is not a crime—it is, in its very essence, a meritocratic system of advancement that favours the citizen who devotes his energies to further himself and, by consequence, the nation. If you're really good at what you do, then you are honoured with a knighthood, or even raised to the Peerage, thus setting your name in stone for all eternity.

    In a republic, however, that drive to promote the state by promoting themselves is completely gone. Instead, it is replaced by the drive to promote oneself and only oneself. It promotes success, yes, but often at the cost of everyone else. If you happen to be good at what you do, then the only honour given to you is being plastered on the face of every finance or educational magazine in the country with the small hope that someday, teenagers will read about you in their history books. Hardly seems fair, doesn't it?

    In Canada, one of the most successful constitutional monarchies, the focus is not on the individual, but the community. This is not anti-liberal, or anti-rights. It is simply an acknowledgement that though we be individuals, we are also part of a larger community which we cannot ignore simply because they do not profit us.

    Furthermore, in the realm of education, let us not forget that the countries whose histories are discussed more in full, with criticism from all sides being discussed, are monarchies. It seems that those who hold on dearest to their traditions are also those who are more willing to admit they have made mistakes in the past. In the short time I’ve delved uniquely in British Imperial history, I’ve noticed more British admissions of past mistakes than any other US or other republican history book I’ve come across.

    But the larger question here, I would argue, is not whether or not republics and history don’t get along, but why.

    The reason, I think, lies within the inevitability of a republic’s downfall. Now, why is this, you wonder. It is because eventually, people, usually the same teenagers who here demonstrate appalling education, start asking questions that the republican governments are too uncomfortable answering; questions such as “Why did we abolish the monarchy?”, "Why did we rebel?" or “How come the books say something different?”

    In the present-day constitutional monarchies—those which hold true to the constitutional monarchy, that is—these questions are answered openly by either the government, or other intellectuals. Monarchies are more liable to admit that they’ve done wrong, and so, other than immediately sensitive information, most constitutional monarchies are very willing to admit when they’ve erred, with some exceptions.

    So when republics are faced with these uncomfortable questions, what do they do? They try and erase their tracks. Soon, statues and monuments to royalist heroes become torn down under lame excuses, or their history is rewritten to fit the government’s needs. Men like Churchill become fictitious, and fictitious protest symbols embedded in popular culture become real people.

    Eventually, however, the teenager who today clamours for a republic begins to clamour for a return of the monarchy. The Jacobite becomes a Loyalist, and the cycle begins anew. That is, unless the cycle is torn apart by those of conscientious minds. This stoppage, ladies and gentlemen, would not be the work of laissez faire, as far as teaching goes, but rather an increase in focus on the rejuvenation of the education process. Schools that are successful in producing good citizens should be modelled after, not shut down. Those which are failing ought to receive government funding so they can rise to the levels of those which succeed.

    God (or the gods, or whatever it is you believe in) raises only those who raise each other. And under a constitutional monarchy, that is exactly what we do.

    God Save the Queen, and Her Heirs.
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    Please do not refer to Jefferson as a long dead Hypoccryt (Idealist definatley).
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    What is exactly the difference between a Constitutional Monarchy and a Republic except for the fact that a Constitutional Monarchy has but an idle, anachronistic and outdated relic called the Monarch?

    Otherwise, the fact that the American culture, per se, focuses greatly on laissez-faire and individualism results in good and evil at the same time. Why don't you look at France, with an exceptionally old Republican system, which has by far a productive cultural history and an exceptional education system by European standards, with a far less "laissez-faire" mentality?
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Meh, I found Jefferson hypocritical in some aspects. Did he not sign the Declaration of Independence? Which stated "All men created equal under God". Yes, he signed that document, which stated that exact thing. But he also owned dozens of slaves. That seems hypocritical to me.
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    Meh, I found Jefferson hypocritical in some aspects. Did he not sign the Declaration of Independence? Which stated "All men created equal under God". Yes, he signed that document, which stated that exact thing. But he also owned dozens of slaves. That seems hypocritical to me.
    It is hypocritical to think that for most of the XIX century the "community-focused" Constitutional Monarchy of Great Britain outlawed trade unions and had very little labour regulations and a home of brutal industrial bondage of workers. At least the Americans, who had the same problems, did not contradict themselves as blatantly.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    True however not so much compared to, say Mao.
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    In my article, I wasn't talking about the Great Britain of the XIX Century, I was talking about the Great Britain and her Commonwealth of now, the XXI Century. 19th century Britain had good things and bad things, just like our nations of the modern day. That was just me expressing my distaste of republics and faith in the constitutional monarchy.

    Above the ebb and flow of party strife, the rise and fall of ministries, and individuals, the changes of public opinion or public fortune, the British Monarchy presides, ancient, calm and supreme within its function, over all the treasures that have been saved from the past and all the glories we write in the annals of our country.- Winston Churchill
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    In my article, I wasn't talking about the Great Britain of the XIX Century, I was talking about the Great Britain and her Commonwealth of now, the XXI Century. 19th century Britain had good things and bad things, just like our nations of the modern day. That was just me expressing my distaste of republics and faith in the constitutional monarchy.

    Above the ebb and flow of party strife, the rise and fall of ministries, and individuals, the changes of public opinion or public fortune, the British Monarchy presides, ancient, calm and supreme within its function, over all the treasures that have been saved from the past and all the glories we write in the annals of our country.- Winston Churchill
    The constitutional monarch never changes except when he dies because the system is symbolic, with the true power politics being done in the Parliament just like in a Republic and with little interference from "above".

    The Monarch is just a relic, and in Modern times, an unecessary one, considering that he drains the state budget with useless expenses to keep him alive and rich. And the true protector of tradition is the people, for there's nothing the monarch can do if there's a change in public mentality to better or worse. Most of the times, he'll act as a figurehead, and nothing more, which is exactly what he should be doing.

    As for equality, I could mind you that most systems in Europe, including Republican ones, do grant a large share of priviledges to the people and their countries are generally well-regarded in international research. See, e.g., Switzerland.

    The British made the Constitutional Monarchy mostly to resemble both the new Republican ideals from the Parliament with the old Monarchist ones. Britain has been, since then, a Republic de facto with the exception of oaths, honorary things, and stuff that has only moral meaning.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    The average teenager in the United States is taught to believe that the American Revolution broke out entirely on the grounds of liberty, freedom, and all those pretty words, but fail to mention that a good deal of the reasoning behind the treason they committed was their unwillingness to pay taxes that the Crown had every right to demand, since they [the Crown] had funded most of the war effort in the Americas during the Seven Years War.

    In fact, the very demands for a regional Parliament were, at the time, completely outrageous, considering there wasn't a single precedent to justify Parliament granting them any such thing.

    That is very much your own opinion.
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    UI think that is mostly true too, however what I don't like was that ******** Proclomation line that was made most of the colonists fought so they could have acess to those lands not so the Indians could have them.
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    When Australians for Constitutional Monarchy first formed in 1992, Lloyd Waddy QC would often use the phrase “We are all equal under the Crown”. I love that saying as it sums up the best part of Monarchy:

    If you are a homeless man living in the park, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are a working person bringing up a family, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are a wealthy business man with millions of dollars, you are no better than anyone else because you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are someone who likes to tell others how great you are, because you when to a private school, you have no more rights than the homeless man because you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are some Lord this or that, you are still a commoner and, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    You might be a University Professor who thinks he is smarter than most but you are not better because, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    This is something people in republics miss out on. Without someone inheriting the highest office in the land by accident of birth you are left with the shameless self-promotion of the self-appointed betters. The Crown is for us all, it represents us all, not just some élite. By leaving it to the accident of birth we leave it to something greater than us. The Crown teaches us that we all have worth and a role. The man or woman who inherits The Crown does so entirely by chance, and has no choice but to devote their lives to our governance. Sometimes this yields madmen and the pyschologically deranged (case in point, Caligula, Nero and Elagabalus), other times it gives us some of the greatest statesmen and women in history. Elizabeth I, Frederick the Great, Caesar Augustus, Gustav Adolf, Louis XIV.

    Lloyd Waddy used to say something else I liked and that was; “God in his heaven, The Queen on her throne and a vigorous life”
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    My biggest problem with the idea of the republic is that it says although you can't be born to rule your born to vote.
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    When Australians for Constitutional Monarchy first formed in 1992, Lloyd Waddy QC would often use the phrase “We are all equal under the Crown”. I love that saying as it sums up the best part of Monarchy:

    If you are a homeless man living in the park, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are a working person bringing up a family, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are a wealthy business man with millions of dollars, you are no better than anyone else because you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are someone who likes to tell others how great you are, because you when to a private school, you have no more rights than the homeless man because you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    If you are some Lord this or that, you are still a commoner and, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.

    You might be a University Professor who thinks he is smarter than most but you are not better because, you are a subject of the Queen with all the rights a subject has under the Crown.
    Replace "the Crown" with the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, or with nationalism, and here you go, another deep and powerful symbolic meaning that many Americans respect.

    Except that the poor "under the crown" will still be poor and oppressed, no matter if he's under the Crown or the Constitution.

    This is something people in republics miss out on. Without someone inheriting the highest office in the land by accident of birth you are left with the shameless self-promotion of the self-appointed betters. The Crown is for us all, it represents us all, not just some élite. By leaving it to the accident of birth we leave it to something greater than us. The Crown teaches us that we all have worth and a role. The man or woman who inherits The Crown does so entirely by chance, and has no choice but to devote their lives to our governance. Sometimes this yields madmen and the pyschologically deranged (case in point, Caligula, Nero and Elagabalus), other times it gives us some of the greatest statesmen and women in history. Elizabeth I, Frederick the Great, Gustavus Adolphus.
    Republics, despite all corruption that happen, are still meritocratic in essence, whereas the Crown promotes inequality because it is inherent to every monarchy that a noble, or priviledged class, rules all the others. Not because they did something to deserve it, but because of the accident of birth.

    A Constitutional Monarchy in the British model, mind you, does not allow room for the king to be anything more than a figurehead. Other models were either absolutist or semi-feudal; in case of Sweden, the king had to partially bow to a noble elite of the riksrad. Whereas the Crown does not receive votes, and in most cases it is just focused on keeping a power basis with the elites, it does not represent the people as a whole. The Republic, however, especially our modern models, does receive votes and as such can be used to trace the mentality of the people as a whole.

    To me, it seems that even if a system can't be perfect or 100% meritocratic, it is still better to leave it widely open than to just leave the accident of birth and nepotism to run things. In our times, far more dynamic than before, competent bureaucracies require meritocratic systems, and not ancient blood lines.
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    As I noted, I believe that the only reasons the Republic is dominant in the States is because it thrives on the ignorance of the masses. The British Monarchy admits its mistakes, and strives to educate. Every monarchal society in history I can think of put a great deal of importance on the idea of the educated gentleman. Then you come to the American Republic, where the 'blue collar working man' seems to be the ideal of society, and being an intellectual seems to make you somehow morally reprehensible. Anti-intellectualism thrives in republics, and I find that awful.

    This is why the stereotypical Brit is an college-educated gentleman with superior linguistics skills and the stereotypical American is a dumb, self-centered redneck. Stereotypes don't just come from the air, they have to develop somehow and I think that American Republicanism's focus on ignorance and anti-intellectualism is why that negative stereotype has developed.
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    As I noted, I believe that the only reasons the Republic is dominant in the States is because it thrives on the ignorance of the masses. The British Monarchy admits its mistakes, and strives to educate. Every monarchal society in history I can think of put a great deal of importance on the idea of the educated gentleman. Then you come to the American Republic, where the 'blue collar working man' seems to be the ideal of society, and being an intellectual seems to make you somehow morally reprehensible. Anti-intellectualism thrives in republics, and I find that awful.

    This is why the stereotypical Brit is an college-educated gentleman with superior linguistics skills and the stereotypical American is a dumb, self-centered redneck. Stereotypes don't just come from the air, they have to develop somehow and I think that American Republicanism's focus on ignorance and anti-intellectualism is why that negative stereotype has developed.
    Anti-intellectualism does not thrive in Republics nor it is associated with it. And may I remind you that the Constitutional regimes in the past have been mainly elitist, restricting votes to but a few; that includes public education. Great Britain, with strong laissez-faire values just like America, did not have a strong and solid public education system until the XXth Century, mind you.

    The fact that many Americans disregard the aristocratic finesse of Europe was mainly due to they shunning upon values they saw as bad, due to the aristocracy being a closed group of incredibly oppressive members with a large share of power. However, it is just a part of their cultural set, to give more value upon the common worker or succesful hard working businessmen due to their strong meritocratic values.

    "Anti-intellectualism being inherent to republics is a myth". Again, I provide with you with the examples of France, Switzerland, Germany and etc... with different cultural values. There's visibly no "anti-intellectual" culture there, in fact, some of them have far more social benefits than the English properly.

    It is far more a question of subjective moral values than the particular national régime in power.
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    See, Republics thrive on the uneducated. It's basically a requirement for its electorate.
    If you look at it historically, you can see that most Republics in Europe before the Enlightment and the napoleonic period on the continent were city states where the electorate was formed by the upper stratum of the urban population and the "uneducated" (peasantry, lower strata of the urban population), as you call them, were excluded from active and passive franchise. The argument you bring appears as a very traditional one. The success of the most successful Monarchie, the British, confutes the argument because of her republicaness, nevertheless.
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    To tell you the truth, I am another of those teenagers who would rather flip through the channels than watch something on the Hitler Channel. I do like history, but not endless documentaries on World War Two.

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    Well in America we've got PBS which makes some nice stuff.
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    Default Re: On Republics, Monarchies and the state of education

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiljan Arslan View Post
    PBS
    What is PBS?
    Patronized by Ozymandias
    Je bâtis ma demeure
    Le livre des questions
    Un étranger avec sous le bras un livre de petit format

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    Default Re: On Republics, Monarchies and the state of education

    Public Broadcasting System a goverment funded tv station with a high quantity of childrens programming and news/docos most well known internationally for seaseme street.
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    Patron of Thoragoros, Chilon
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