scorpions

[La Hormiga]

do the romans get scorpions in the campaign. The are aviable in custom battle but I don't see them in the campaign.

[supeerme]

hmmm they should do...as they was removed as they don't have any purpose at all...you should check if it just something that was left out by mistake....but you get stone throwing ones. if they are suppose to be there then something wrong with the mod...

[Scutarii]

I don't think they do. Custom battle hasn't really been tweaked at all for the mod, its all about the campaign. Rome does still get onagers, the AI likes to spam them.

[Hurlbut]

They used the Scorpion for antipersonal as field artillery; the other artillery pieces except for that repeating ballista (did the Romans really had that?) are more used as siege artillery.

[La Hormiga]

I mean the little bolt shooting ones scutarii not the catapults. Since I can't get them, how would I make recrutiable them into the siege enigeer. I know I would use export_descr_buildings bit I don't know what lines to add.

[Hurlbut]

No no, you misunderstood Scutarii, he said Rome does *still* get onagers. He was sorta suggesting that it's an alternative to not having scorpions.

[La Hormiga]

well I want scorpions too. If I can get them in custom why not in campaign.

[supeerme]

because dimebagho don't even bother with custom battles...

[Scutarii]

Because, as I said, custom battle hasn't really been changed/balanced at all, which is evident as Spartan Royal Guard costs the same as the Sacred Band.

[La Hormiga]

I see. Is this still the scorpion's ID: recruit "roman scorpion" 0 requires factions { roman, }

[brandbll]

IMO, onagers are the only worthwile siege machines. The ballistas and the scorpion don't seem to even do much damage.

[Hurlbut]

Brand: you have to remember that the Scorpion was really meant as a field artillery, to provide fire support to the legions on the battlefield and sweeping the rapport of men (althought that's easier to say than done).

[Scutarii]

But compared to the kill count of, say, a unit of archers, they don't really compare. The combination of bad accuracy + slow rate of fire makes them not cost-effective.

[Hurlbut]

But compared to the kill count of, say, a unit of archers, they don't really compare. The combination of bad accuracy + slow rate of fire makes them not cost-effective.

Ah but it does have a morale impact just like you would if you have archers with fire arrows and the scorpion do have excellent range.

[cherryfunk]

Scorpions are historical -- onagers are fantasy...

[brandbll]

Scorpions are historical -- onagers are fantasy...

How so? I'm asking becaue i know nothing about the subject.

Also, if it isn't historical, is there anyway to make something that would fit in to be more historical?

[Ephialtes The Dog]

This is what a real onager looks like.

[pwijnands]

This is what a real onager looks like.

Here's a more detailed picture of an onager:

[Hippias]

I would love to see bolt throwers made a more useful unit in the game. Onagers beat them hands down at the moment, but as Cherryfunk says the bolt throwing engines were a regular feature of, at least, post marian Roman armies.

[La Hormiga]

I find them to be more accurate and as powerful as ballistas.