Playing as Russia. HELP, MONGOLS!

[wallece1]

Hey I'm playing as Russia and I have conqured all of the provinces from bulgar to italy. I have destroyed and taken over the provinces of the holy roman empire, poland, and milan.

Now here's the problem!

Mongols have attacked from sarkel and taken over Bulgar and I have rallied all my troops to try and take them down in moscow, BUT it might fail.

I need help with a strategy in how to in an effective way SLAUGHTER the mongol hordes without a financial loss.

Also I have money problems. How do I het money. is there some special provinces I can take over that will help me increase my wealth.

Please Help!

[hshiek]

the composition of your army is key in open field battles against the mongols. When you got the warning about the mongols a few turns before you should have turned your finances and attention to your castles you should have a strong army of cossaks dvor and tsars guard with an even mix of dvor and cossaks and about four tsars guard to defend the front line then fight the mongol armies 2 to 1 or 3 to 2 ect since they have an expierince bonus

[Pyrebound]

Put your forces on a bridge when the mongols come. Then just fight defensive battles on bridges, just place heavy defensive infantry on your side of the bridge and blast the large mob o' mongols with artillery, gunpowder prefered (more accurate imo)

[Valbruch]

I am usually able to wipe out mongols when they siege my castles. Theit armies may look terrifying, but their infantry is not so good. Some heavier infantry can stop them on walls while your spearmen do their cavalry some very unpleasant things at the gates.

But in open field battles, Mongol cavalry can give you a really hard time. I try to avoid such battle with them at all costs.

[Mr Harold]

Hey there, Wallece

When it comes to Mongols, you have to use the terrain to its maximum effect. Try to meet them on a slope, (the enemy at the bottom) or on a bridge, but try to avoid flat areas. (Not easy in Russia )
But even if you are forced to fight on a flat open area, you can depend on your spearmen. For now you should recruit stacks of about 60% spearmen, 20% archers, and the rest cavalry and infantry. You mostly have to fight defensivly obviously, and try not to leave gaps in your line

Hope this helps

XKillerX

[juanguer]

I normally against those Mongols I use !only! spears and archers... and normally a peasant unit..... to ambush them....

In open fields i would give the advise of bombards protected by heavy cavalry and make a square of spears (also use spears special formation):

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|______|
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|______|

and be prepared for the cavalry massacre

[King Yngvar]

By the time the Mongols come they are no problem, because the player faction controls half of Europe and can field 30 full stacks.

[ByzantineSerb]

Take Budapest & Bucharest. Smart, ha!?

[Skink head]

Like every one else said try and stop the mongols at a bridge or gate and use mostly archers and spearmen and some light calvary to get the horse archers
and you can get a lo of money by looting venice

[RedEye]

King Yngvar: By the time the Mongols come they are no problem, because the player faction controls half of Europe and can field 30 full stacks.

Not me, but then I'm a noob to all this.

What gets me is that the Mongols field 60 units simultaneously while I'm restricted to my 20 units - half of which are routing & running round in circles while my reinforcements are off the map waiting for them to either find their way out or be finally wiped out. Am I missing something?

Also, I've tried different approaches with Russia and no matter what settlements I have (eg expanding west away from the Mongol threat and using alliances with Tukey, Hungary and Poland to create a buffer) when they arrive they ignore everyone else and make a bee-line for my lands. What have the Mongols got against Russia??

In desperation I'm currently attempting to assassinate all the Mongol family members!!

[wyandottecaver]

I've done several things successfully. As the english, I used a full army of longbows, set up at the back 1/2. near a corner. deployed stakes in a long line spanning the corner. as they got within missle range I ran away. they charged after me...impaling themselves on the stakes. I then routed to end the battle.

rinse and repeat. slow but effective.

[Ambiorix_thijs]

Prop 3rth or 4th time i have to post this strategy that cant fail.

Dont let the mongols/Timurids open the siege attack, attack that army first, than let that army attack you and repeat till they all die, here is how you do it:
SO WHEN YOU ARE SIEGED ATTACK That army that is sieging you.
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They siege you always with one army while the others stand around, you attack them, put some pikes in front of the walls, shilhttrom them and they come a bit closer so your towers and archers can shoot all they want. If their horses charge your pikeman,your schiltrom will take care of that. what happens is they loose 80 percent of one of their armies; Next turn they siegeattack you with the other 20 percent. Easy to stop that. You retrain your pikes, and next round they siege you again with a fresh new army, so you just repeat that until they leave or are completely death. NICE.
Cool thing is that the Mongol/timurid lancers that attack you rout v fast cause they have fire from archers and towers first plus the morale of the bodyguard is so high that the mongol leader fights to the death vs your pikeman.So thats another general less in the horde.
Shiltrom is awesome vs cavalry.

[Kip]

DVORS ON WALLS FTW!!!!!

Sorry about that.

The most cost efficient way to take them down is probably by filling frontier settlements with dismounted Dvors, armored spearmen and dismounted Boyar Sons. You'll massacre their infantry on the walls, and do some serious damage to their cavalry once they bust down your gates. The only units that will suffer are your spearmen, but those are cheap and plentiful enough that its no worry.

Oh and its probably worth keeping a unit or two of light cavalry (Kazakhs perhaps) to chase down routers....they should be able to even catch the Mongol horsemen who will be tired/slow after the melee.

[Ambiorix_thijs]

the Russian dismounted Dvor on the walls. they just rock in every way.
Just attack them when they siege you and take them out with your archers.

[Archus]

useful tip for defending a siege in general:

put spears/pikes in an open sqaure around the gate (dont put them on teh gate side or one of the sides, make sure there is on face on though), then in the open side put ballistae, they charge in, get caught by your troops, ballista can't miss from there. Mongols = dead!

[theflautist82]

It is sometimes wise not to keep ypur spearmen in special form formation from the beginning. When mongol heavy cavalry charges, make a good timing and stand spear formation. It will be too late for Mongol to stop before they are into your spears. Dont wory about cavalry archers of them. You will kill as many as they can with your footarchers. They will ascape while routing from the battle field but you will kill many.

[Summitz]

Simple Tactics against the Mongols:
Spam Dismounted Dvors and put them on the walls while defending the settlements and spearmen on the streets.
Spam Dvors and Cossacks for open battlefield.