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    'Secret army' preparing for war in Kenya

    By Robert Oluoch and Mike Pflanz in Iten
    Last Updated: 1:15pm GMT 14/02/2008

    An army of young warriors is being secretly armed and reinforced in remote areas of Kenya’s Rift Valley, preparing for war if the country’s knife-edge peace talks fail.

    Elders have organised thousands of men from the pro-opposition Kalenjin tribe into militia units, each split into marksmen, foot- soldiers, armourers, drivers and cooks.

    Hidden arsenals are filled with bows and arrows, many of them dipped in deadly poison, as efforts are made to buy guns smuggled from northern Uganda or Sudan.

    “If the peace talks collapse, there will be war,” said David Cheserek, 46, an elected opposition councillor in Kamogich, 240 miles northwest of Nairobi.

    During January’s first wave of post-election violence, Mr Cheserek commanded a company of 60 Kalenjin fighters as they swept through the nearby town of Eldoret, burning homes owned by the rival Kikuyu tribe.

    Accusations that President Mwai Kibaki, a Kikuyu, rigged election results triggered the fighting, but it also tapped into a frustration long held by the Kalenjin that the Kikuyus had cheated their way to owning the best land in the Rift Valley.

    “We are waiting the results of Mr Annan’s talks, but if they do not go well, we will make sure there is not one Kikuyu left in the Rift Valley,” said Mr Cheserek.

    As the country continues to divide along tribal lines, this week is perhaps the most crucial for Kenya’s peaceful future since independence from Britain 44 years ago.

    Across the country, all eyes are on talks mediated by Kofi Annan, focused on the make-or-break issue of power sharing between the election rivals.

    Compromises have been mooted by each side to end the fighting which has so far killed 1,000 people and forced 300,000 from their homes.

    But at a recent rally, opposition leader Raila Odinga told a crowd of thousands that the only solution he would accept is the resignation of Mr Kibaki and fresh elections.

    The President has ruled out both of these paths.

    “If Mr Kofi Annan cannot bring us an acceptable solution, men will fight and there will be shedding of blood,” said 'Andrew’, 29, a Kalenjin militiaman who spoke anonymously to The Daily Telegraph in Iten, 30 miles north of Eldoret.

    “That solution cannot include Mr Kibaki as president.”

    He described how the tribe’s elders gathered hundreds of men at a time in clearings deep in the arid, unpoliced Kerio Valley below Iten, preaching hate against Kikuyus.

    Such gatherings, common among the Kalenjin, have in the past only been called to organise defence against cattle rustlers.

    Now they have an alarming new function, linking the Kalenjin’s 11 sub- clans to plan a united offensive to purge the Kikuyu from their lands.

    Elders have given each man a role — some are 'sharpshooters’ because of their skills with a bow and arrow. Some, like Andrew, are drivers.

    “I went from village to village collecting weapons, arrows, bows and spears, which I took to the frontline,” he said, describing his involvement in January’s fighting in Eldoret.

    “Others took lorries filled with fighters. Others carried food cooked by our women to keep the fighters strong.”

    'William’, 24, a teacher, said his job was to hammer house nails into arrow heads, many of which are dipped in poison concocted from roots and leaves.

    “There were three in my team and we were making 1,200 arrows a day,” he said.

    Since peace talks started two weeks ago, the Kalenjin war machine has slowed and fighters have been told to wait for orders.

    “We are ready if they call us again, we are adding more arrows,” said 'Peter’, a village butcher.

    “We tried to have our voice heard at the ballot box, but they ignored us. We tried to protest peacefully, but the police shot us and tear- gassed us.

    “It is very dangerous for people not to listen to us. Now we are ready to fight to the end.”
    I suppose Kenya is finished.
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    TIA I guess.

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    I just read from BBC that US prepares to involve in Kenya's peace talk today, perhaps there still has some hope??

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    TIA I guess.
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    What are they gonna do? Throw spears at the enemy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    What are they gonna do? Throw spears at the enemy?
    No, they'll throw them at themselves. Of course at the enemy!
    The common culture of a tribe is a sign of its inner cohesion. But tribes are vanishing from the modern world, as are all forms of traditional society. Customs, practices, festivals, rituals and beliefs have acquired a flut and half-hearted quality which reflects our nomadic and rootless existence, predicated as we are on the global air-waves.

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    I read this earlier. I wonder if they really will use bowmen, maybe CNN will turn into a real life M2TW, lol.

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    Its sad that one of the beacons of Africa has been extinguished, *sigh*.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axeman View Post
    Its sad that one of the beacons of Africa has been extinguished, *sigh*.
    It's been extinguished for a long time. Don't feel sad.....roll with it. Africa ain't never gonna get better, so you may as well get used to it and let the good times roll!

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    Sooooo glad My Mum got married in Kenya last year as opposed to holding it off a year.


    Such a shame really as all the people I met on the streets of Mombasa were really friendly people. Even then the dirty word "Corruption" was rife. Did any body do anything about it then? Has everyone waited for this to happen before getting concerned? There are so many paces in the world that are preparing for conflict in some way or another. It's sad but there is very little that can actually be done. Especially when governments only act if it is in their best interests. Shame for them they don't have as much oil as the Iraqis. Or is it a shame? :hmmm:

    Yeah on the spear throwing lark : I saw plenty of AKs out there too so I doubt they will be reaching for the spears just yet. Only real problem they have is ammunition. Most of the gun owners seemed to have very little of it and I doubt they had enough money to buy more after they spunked the money they did have on the gun itself.
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    Spears and bows, this is a good thing. Take it from me, I've lived in that country and places less fortunate. This is a good sight in Africa.

    You can kill a few people with bows and arrows, but you can't destroy infrastructure.

    After a few massacres, they'll recover, sign a peace deal, the current ruling tribe (favored by colonialism) will return to power as always, and the country will pick up where it left off.

    I swear it, this is the only result.

    However, when some tribesmen, like in Afghanistan and Somalia, use modern weapons to avenge a camel theft, it becomes a much bigger issue.

    This is the safer side of civil war, I guarantee it. BTW, Go Kalenjin, I hate the Kikuyu bastards.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    It's been extinguished for a long time. Don't feel sad.....roll with it. Africa ain't never gonna get better, so you may as well get used to it and let the good times roll!
    I live in south africa, so I feel an obligation to feel sad, if not necesscarily do anything about it, when a productive government is overturned with a relatively good standard of life compared to many other countries falls, it will soon become another Somollia.

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    Let them settle this once and for all and the victorious tribe will take control over the entire country and impose stability hopefully. This is how it has always been done everywhere in this world. Unless only one powerful group is left to grab power, the conflict will never stop.


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    Huh dahir?
    How the hell do you oppose Isreal but think its perfectly fine that hundreds of africans if not thousands will be massacered?This is a disaster.
    Best the prime minister is asssasinated steps down methinks. How can he not be ashamed of himself? The fact he wont step down is going to kill his tribesmen.
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    And I'm thinking to myself "how secret is this army if there's a big old news article about them?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Duce View Post
    And I'm thinking to myself "how secret is this army if there's a big old news article about them?"
    This man has a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy34543 View Post
    Huh dahir?
    How the hell do you oppose Isreal but think its perfectly fine that hundreds of africans if not thousands will be massacered?This is a disaster.
    Best the prime minister is asssasinated steps down methinks. How can he not be ashamed of himself? The fact he wont step down is going to kill his tribesmen.
    What does Israel have to do with this issue?

    My stance on Israel is not based on experience, only what I have summed up from different sources on the internet and the media. To be honest, I can't tell Israelis and Arabs apart, maybe their nose lengths differ by a few millimeters.

    But my views on Africa, are entirely based on life experience and continued interaction with people from the continent and news that is several days ahead the media. It is my firm belief that the current situation in Kenya will create a stronger state. In some cases, like Somalia, war is futile because everyone is well armed and equal and the weapons keep pouring in -- and not machetes either, but fleets of jeeps, RPG-7's, Katyusha rockets, artillery, mortars, updated rifles, night vision equipment, even a battalion of tanks in some cases.

    But, like in Rwanda and Uganda, Kenya will progress only when the people find out that war is not the answer.

    After the civil war and to this day, Rwanda has been named Africa's most progressive nation, for an entire decade-long period, and continues to move forward.

    Kenya will benefit from this scenario since some tribes are much more powerful than others and there will be a victor, not an ongoing war. Guaranteed to work. Its scary and strange, but I am confident of it.


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    I hope that it will have some kind of benefit.
    But im not exactly a fan of this when it can easily be averted by the prime minister conveniently stepping down.
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    Lot of money to be made for a mercenary, I think I just found a new line of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Super Pope View Post
    Lot of money to be made for a mercenary, I think I just found a new line of work.
    These guys can hardly afford ammunition for their rifles, and you think they can afford even one mercenary? :hmmm:
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    Go on Farnan, go and help those despicable thugs you call our soldiers to kill some of the poorest people on the planet.
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