Iran would kick US ass in the gulf

[Heinz Guderian]

Dont get angry yet! I'm doing this god-forsaken dissertation on iranian influence and i want to use the brains of those who have more experience and insight than me on the subject. I'm stuck on military influence. I need help, i hope this isn't against forum rules.

To kick things off, Iran has massively increased its asymmetrical naval warfare doctrine. Fast manouvrable missile boats, midget subs, anti ship missile systems, mine warfare. this is backed by the "holy defence", men willing to run suicide missions against US surface vessels and all bankrolled by oil revenue approaching $70 billion.

Iran's goal would be to block the straights of Hormuz (20% of world oil goes through) costing the US economy approximately $200 billion.

Would Iran be squished or would it be able to score some points against an overwhelmingly superior foe? Help me!

[vizi]

Air Craft Carriers.

[Heinz Guderian]

Air Craft Carriers.

as a target or as an overwhelming force multiplier?

[King Edward III]

Air Craft Carriers.

Suicide Aircraft Carriers?

:hm:

[Farnan]

Aircraft carriers make much of those efforts worthless. In the case of a military conflict the US would simply move its fleets out of range and launch aircraft and cruise missiles to neutralize their naval forces.

[Carach]

Aircraft carriers make much of those efforts worthless. In the case of a military conflict the US would simply move its fleets out of range and launch aircraft and cruise missiles to neutralize their naval forces.

u ignore the growing submarine threat?

[Farnan]

u ignore the growing submarine threat?

Full deployment of Anti-Submarine Warfare devices by the escorts and the Carriers should do pretty well to stop them.

[Carach]

Full deployment of Anti-Submarine Warfare devices by the escorts and the Carriers should do pretty well to stop them.

except ASW stuff isnt actually particularly effective against advanced submarines. (as training has shown..)

[MadBurgerMaker]

except ASW stuff isnt actually particularly effective against advanced submarines. (as training has shown..)

What training are you talking about? Because I sure as **** could have sworn just about every bit of my ASW training, especially the parts that had to do with capabilities, frequencies, etc, had the word "SECRET" typed in bold, red, uppercase letters next to it (Different colors for different levels.). It was also printed all over the cover of whatever the information was contained in, in a secure space, in a safe.

[GeneralLee]

except ASW stuff isnt actually particularly effective against advanced submarines. (as training has shown..)

Against Europes newest diesels in training exercises and 30 year old kilo class diesels during war are two very different things.

[Oldgamer]

Having read more of this thread, it is obvious that the anti-US posters are licking their chops over the possibility of a US defeat, despite what the pro-American posters are telling them.

So, let the Iranians attack the United State Navy. After the resultant destruction of most of Iran's military capability, we'll find out ... from the anti-US posters, of course ... that it all was some plot of the "neocons".

My plan for dealing with the Iranian potential is simple. Send a special envoy to Teheran and secretly tell Ahmadinejad that ... if the USN is attacked, or a single tanker is hit ... we will obliterate Kharg Island, where 90% of their oil exports are shipped from, and take out their entire oil infrastructure. We'll also reveal to the Russians and the Chinese that we're going to do this.

The Iranians will not attack ...

[HorseArcher]

newsflash:

38 min. ago..

Iran testing advanced uranium centrifuges: diplomat

VIENNA (AFP) — Iran has begun testing advanced second-generation centrifuges, defying UN Security Council demands to end its uranium enrichment activities, Western diplomats said Wednesday.
According to the diplomats, who are posted to the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Iran has begun real tests of P2 centrifuges with uranium gas with the aim of producing enriched uranium.
"The Iranians are showing their face and it is clear that they want to develop their new centrifuges," said one Western diplomat.
The tests are the exact "opposite" of what the United Nations expects from Iran, said a European diplomat.
In Washington, a senior US intelligence official on Wednesday said that Iran continues to develop capabilities that could be swiftly adapted for production of nuclear weapons.

more.

Well well.....

Who wants to bet with me, that within 2 months, someone is going to drop a few bombs to those nuclear facilities?

[Nikitn]

Full deployment of Anti-Submarine Warfare devices by the escorts and the Carriers should do pretty well to stop them.

No, not really. The Iranian sare buying Russian And chinese technology. The Akulas are very deadly. Also, i bet theyl get soon acsess to OSCARS(), and then the US would be in trouble!

[King Edward III]

u ignore the growing submarine threat?

Suicide Submarines?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Pretty Much, Vizigothe, mobile ass kicking centers.

[vizi]

The USN has a force of versatile CVs and well as hybrid carriers that also can operate as an amphibious assault platform.

Aircraft carriers changed naval warfare because it projected naval power far greater distances than battleships.

Aircraft carriers can be spread out at great distances with an effective screening net of lighter ships.

It would be highly unlikely that any Iranian ship would be able to get close enough to a capital ship to score an effective hit.

[Farnan]

The USN has a force of versatile CVs and well as hybrid carriers that also can operate as an amphibious assault platform.

Aircraft carriers changed naval warfare because it projected naval power far greater distances than battleships.

Aircraft carriers can be spread out at great distances with an effective screening net of lighter ships.

It would be highly unlikely that any Iranian ship would be able to get close enough to a capital ship to score an effective hit.

In truth the Navy would be hundreds of miles away using Tomahawks and fighters to destroy any Iranian threat and secure the straits.

And USAF bombers stationed in Texas can assist in taking out Iranian SAMs.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

This won't end well. I'm sure they might hit something of ours if we ever fought. Destroy it? Hmm, I doubt it.

[Heinz Guderian]

I appreciate your help guys.

Aircraft carriers make much of those efforts worthless. In the case of a military conflict the US would simply move its fleets out of range and launch aircraft and cruise missiles to neutralize their naval forces.

But sir, studying the geography of the Gulf, arent naval vessels well in range? Also, if they move out, that would leave Gulf state oil facilities and the US base at Doha in danger?

This won't end well. I'm sure they might hit something of ours if we ever fought. Destroy it? Hmm, I doubt it.

A hit on any capital ship would be a massive propaganda coup for Tehran.

Like Hezbollah in Lebanon, Iran has spent the last 7 years preparing to fight one enemy in one region. The speedboat incident recently may be an indication of its new (mis?)placed confindence.

[Farnan]

But sir, studying the geography of the Gulf, arent naval vessels well in range? Also, if they move out, that would leave Gulf state oil facilities and the US base at Doha in danger?

Right now they are, however should hostilities become imminent we would simply withdraw beyond range. With fighters the navy can project contol over the straits and still be hundreds of miles away. If you want to think of it this way, a soldier armed with a sword must be a few feet from a door to protect it from enemies entering. A sniper can be hundreds of meters away and keep the enemy from entering the door. A carrier fleet is like a sniper.

Lozz: Assuming a conventional war yes, however a naval war would be relatively bloodless for the US due to the vast difference in capability.