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    Default Reputation Question

    Hi all

    I have a couple questions about reputation in Medieval 2:Total War. (And theyre ever so slightly noobish )

    1. What happens, if anything, to your reputation when you:
    a) Occupy a settlement?
    b) Sack a settlement?
    I know it gets worse when you exterminate

    2. Do you get any influence on your reputation when you get excomunicated?

    3. Is your reputation effected depending on how many alliances/hostilities you have?

    Thanks

    XKillerX

    Edit: When I say reputation, I mean your global reputation e.g. Mixed, Dubious, Dispicible , Untrustworthy etc.
    Last edited by Mr Harold; February 08, 2008 at 12:48 PM. Reason: Specification

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    I believe the tendency is:

    Occupy =====> + Chivalry
    Sack =======> No effect on Chiv/Dread
    Exterminate ==> + Dread
    Last edited by NobleNick; February 08, 2008 at 11:54 AM.

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    Reputation, not the traits of the general

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    Thanks for the feedback guys

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrebound View Post
    Reputation, not the traits of the general
    Indeed, sorry NobleNick, I dont think I specified enough

    But thankyou for your reply anyway, it was still helpful

    XKillerX

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    Occupying settlements raises your rep.
    Sacking drops it by the same amount.
    Exterminating hits your rep 3x more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N3rull View Post
    Occupying settlements raises your rep.
    Sacking drops it by the same amount.
    Exterminating hits your rep 3x more.
    Thanks, N3rull

    Id give you rep for answering one of my questions well, but I dont have 50 posts yet so I can't I owe you one though

    Anyone got any idea about 2 and 3?

    XKillerX

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    not 100% sure but;

    3 - you get a bonus to your rep for each alliance you have, and a penalty if you are at war (the more enemies you are at war with the more rep you loose)

    2- - when you get excomunicated other factions will tend to attack you more i think, and more so if the pope calls a crusade on you, so, by the logic on point3 you should get a penalty to your rep (dunno if you get a penalty at the exact moment you are excomunicated)

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    Quote Originally Posted by XKillerX View Post
    Thanks, N3rull

    Id give you rep for answering one of my questions well, but I dont have 50 posts yet so I can't I owe you one though

    XKillerX
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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    Refer to pwijnands' article http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Reputation-M2TW

    what I wrote may be only applicable to the Ultimate AI pack.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    The truth is, your rep is going down all the time if you do nothin'. If you make a few alliances at the start an notice your rep going up, it's not due to the alliances - it's because you conquered something and clicked "occupy".

    All sorts of sensible rep-raising are crap, because they involve attacking someone else and staying in war with someone reduces your rep further.

    Rep system SAAWWWCKZZZ.


    file descr_faction_standing.txt, which shows up after using the unpacker, says that your reputation is measured in a [-1 , 1] scale, where -1 is despicable and 1 is max.
    A little list of what does what:


    possibly an Ultimate AI pack modification- having the Pope elected bumps your ranking by 0.4 in that scale (as you will see when you read below, it's the biggest difference you can make safely. So my advice is either build 12 priests and send them on a voyage to islamic lands or build a Cathedral in a place that has a Theologians guild and keep spewing bishops)
    - releasing prisoners rises rep by 0.1 if you caught over 240 men, by 0.05 if you caught at least 80 (mind that capturing 250 means you caught both over 80 and over 240, so releasing 250 men rises your rep by 0.15 ; silly trigger system but whatever)
    - occupying settlement raises your rep by 0.1


    - declaring war (sheer fact) reduces your rep by 0.05
    - cancelling alliance reduces rep by 0.05 (even when two of your allies go to war and you *have* to choose one!!!)
    - stealing back a given settlement (whatever the game means by that) reduces your rep by 0.1
    - breaking treaty terms (?) - down by 0.1
    - backstabbing an ally reduces by 0.2 (mind that this act also counts as declaring war and a few more ;] )
    - executing reduces your rep by the same amount as releasing raises it
    - sacking towns decreases your rep by 0.15
    - extermination reduces your rep by 0.3 !!
    Last edited by N3rull; February 09, 2008 at 04:59 AM. Reason: Corrected after pwijnands' remark

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    Thankyou, you two

    I think im just gonna copy and paste N3rulls post into word and then print it for my reference
    Again id give you rep but I cant

    Thanks guys, questions answered

    XKillerX

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    Having a pope elected doesn't raise reputation, only the relations you have with the papal states.

    N3rull, is that an unmodded file you are talking about? I wrote an article about reputation on the WIKI and used (at least what I think is) an unmodded file. I didn't see any extra reputation boost for releasing over 250 prisoners. I only saw a standard one that raises it by a fraction and an extra bonus for releasing over 80 prisoners. Making war also didn't lower reputation, unless you have an alliance or other treaty with that faction.
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Reputation-M2TW

    There are also several smaller factors. One will (very) slowly lower your reputation to neutral. Having an alliance gives a (tiny) bonus to reputation and a war gives a penalty. These are all normalising factors and if you are fairly close to neutral (like dubious or reliable), the effect of the neutralizing will be smaller then when you are at the extreme ends of the scale.

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    Default Re: Reputation Question

    You're right again. It is an Ultimate AI file. I thought that little aspect did not change though, because I experienced Rep bumps before downloading UAI when my Pope got elected.

    But if you say it doesn't, then it doesn't.

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    Well thanks, Double A

    You know after all this useful info no matter what I do my reputation is always dubious

    XKillerX

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    Jon had taken Donal and Benjen’s advice to heart: Sam may be fat and pathetic, but he is still a member of the watch, and one of the few black brothers who isn't a rapist or thief. (out of context, this sounds ridiculously racist)
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    At the beginning of an LTC French campaign I allied with 5 other nations and bought and traded with several to get some provinces. Then in answer to a crusade I took Genoa and the Milan and destroyed the faction. I finally checked my rep and it was Very Trustworthy. I was surprised. I usually have a Despicable rating from attacking and looting everyone but the Pope. When a crusade was called against HRE I joined. However, being new to this chivalry thing, I did not cancel the alliance and my rep went to Despicable. It seems that if you sack cities against which a crusade is called, even if it is catholic, you won't get a reduction in rep. Am I corrrect in this? And, when I exterminated other religions' cities I don't think that I lost any reputation. Do you get an increase in reputation when you complete a successful purchase or trade of a province?

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