Ghazni and Ghorid Campaigns' Strategy

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I have been testing both these factions at once and this is my initial opinion of the two factions.

Strategic situation for both Empires at the start:

Both sit in Afghanistan and serve as gateways into Iran and India respectively. Because of this your first priority is to destroy the Ghorids immediately as the Ghazni or the Ghazni if you are playing the Ghorids. In both games I did this in less than six turns.

Once done you have busted the map wide open and the next 20 turns will see the rapid expansion down the Sind, into the western Iranian Coast, and towards Northern India before you even begin to hit organized factions excepting the Chauhan Rajputs.

Now you have a few choices to consider.

Do you conquer the Sindhi Malikate while they are still weak?

Wipe out the Rajputs in Southern India?

Pour into Iran and its rich coastal provinces?

Go north and wipe out the Khwarezm?

If you are the Ghorids I would recommend simultaneous thrusts at the Malikate of Sindh and the Southern Rajputs with a horde of Cheap Ghazi Fanatics and whatever cavalry you can scrape together and sack every city of the Sindh and put everyone in the Rajput cities to death. Then you're an unstoppable monster.

If you are the Ghazni with their higher unit upkeep, I would recommend eliminating the Sindh first and developing its Agricultural potential while playing the Seljuqs and Khwarezm against each other and ensuring neither gets too strong as you develop your Sultanate into an economic power house capable of fielding a well balanced Army to seize the rest of India and go into Arabia and and Southern Africa.

Once the Mongols come, let them do the hard work for you in wiping out the Seljuqs and Khwarezm for you.

Once the Mongols get embroiled with the Abbasids sweep up Iran behind them.

Your thoughts on my Strategy for these Factions.

[Taneda Santôka]

I don't like your strategy, it hasn't got anything strategic.
Blitzing sucks.

Really.



I love Ghazni but I always give ghorids a chance to beef up a little, until they start fighting Solankis, whom I aid, being a good ally... hehehe Then a strategy can be elaborated, having to face a real strong Ghorid force.

[Rex Inanimatus]

I don't like your strategy, it hasn't got anything strategic.
Blitzing sucks.

Really.



I love Ghazni but I always give ghorids a chance to beef up a little, until they start fighting Solankis, whom I aid, being a good ally... hehehe Then a strategy can be elaborated, having to face a real strong Ghorid force.

agreed, its so easy to smash the AI early on and i do not find it amusing to fight against incapable enemies.

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I don't like your strategy, it hasn't got anything strategic.
Blitzing sucks.

Really.

I love Ghazni but I always give ghorids a chance to beef up a little, until they start fighting Solankis, whom I aid, being a good ally... hehehe Then a strategy can be elaborated, having to face a real strong Ghorid force.

Ease of conquering has nothing to do with strategy, thats a tactical issue on the battle field.

Remember, the objective of the game is to build a sustainable Empire and in order to do that you need to be utterly ruthless so I immediately eliminate my biggest threat the Ghorids first when playing Ghazni.

That gives me the core of Afghanistan with which I can fall back upon if needed and means I only need to plug six passes instead of having a wide open rear for the Ghorids to Jump me.

It also means I have a springboard into India and Iran when I feel resurgent enough to fight back.

Yes I risk overstretch, but its no big deal.

I simply destroy the settlements I conquered in my overstretch for the cash and head back to my core provinces. My pursuers get a city with a wrecked infrastructure and a population they have to feed or face riots.

As for the Ghorids well you either win which gives you cash to pay your troops and upgrade your core or you lose in which case you don't have anyone to pay. Eh plenty more poor fools which you can recruit to start over again while you build a professional force.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Ease of conquering has nothing to do with strategy, thats a tactical issue on the battle field.

Remember, the objective of the game is to build a sustainable Empire and in order to do that you need to be utterly ruthless so I immediately eliminate my biggest threat the Ghorids first when playing Ghazni.

That gives me the core of Afghanistan with which I can fall back upon if needed and means I only need to plug six passes instead of having a wide open rear for the Ghorids to Jump me.

It also means I have a springboard into India and Iran when I feel resurgent enough to fight back.

Yes I risk overstretch, but its no big deal.

I simply destroy the settlements I conquered in my overstretch for the cash and head back to my core provinces. My pursuers get a city with a wrecked infrastructure and a population they have to feed or face riots.

As for the Ghorids well you either win which gives you cash to pay your troops and upgrade your core or you lose in which case you don't have anyone to pay. Eh plenty more poor fools which you can recruit to start over again while you build a professional force.

Ehhhh.....so they don't care for your approach. It's a free country, let'm run for their life! You articulate well and are driven (gamewise). That's what counts. Good on ya.

I do side with the bloodlusted samari monkey in that shoot'n fish in a barrel aint much fun for me. As the Ghorids I go east and let the Ghazni taste the Mongol arrow.

Thanks for the strategy.

Watch your mouth, those pyjama dudes can slice you up real good!

True is true, master. Lest ye forget your pajama boys desinagrate at the tip of a well placed lance.

[MyNameIsGreat]

I don't like your strategy, it hasn't got anything strategic.
Blitzing sucks.

Really.



I love Ghazni but I always give ghorids a chance to beef up a little, until they start fighting Solankis, whom I aid, being a good ally... hehehe Then a strategy can be elaborated, having to face a real strong Ghorid force.

So the better strategy is to allow your enemy to become stronger before fighting him.

BRILLIANT!

1. Blitz Ghanzi until they are totally wiped out.
2. Conquer India, taking out both Rajputs, and then sidnh, sack every city
3. Consolidate, build up economy
4. Invade Oman and the rest of Arabia
5. Wait for the shah to be attacked by Mongols or Turks, and then backstab them
6. From there, you can do whatever you want.

= win. Basically use overwhelming force against everyone, the mercenary pool, between Afghani, Iranian, Indian, and fanatic mercenaries is huge in the area.

edit- and I should mention cities have garrison scripts, so blitzing is far from cheap. You have to fight their starting army, plus city defenders, in addition to the added units they get from the script. If anything, turtling is cheaper than blitzing. If you do nothing for dozens of turns, they will move their army to far away borders and dont garrison cities correctly.

[nodey]

Go for Imamate of oman, just for wearing pyjamas during daytime, and in public!

[Miraj]

Go for Imamate of oman, just for wearing pyjamas during daytime, and in public!

Watch your mouth, those pyjama dudes can slice you up real good!

[Taneda Santôka]

Having to deal with powerfull Ghorids, trust me, is a strategical chalenge, whereas blitzing them is only a cheapshot, the game isnt meant to endure it.
The point is to have fun, you have the way you want, but having the game set in three turns is not what I call fun...

[Miraj]

The point is to have fun, you have the way you want, but having the game set in three turns is not what I call fun...

Yeah, I wish more people would realize this basic obvious fact rather than expect modders to spoon feed them challenge.

At the end of the day your foes are run by robots so please exercise some discretion when playing and realize that having fun and challenge is a 2 way street and you need to treat the game as a retard and give it a head start rather than blitzing.

[Heinz Guderian]

you need to treat the game as a retard and give it a head start rather than blitzing.

The game is retired?

[-Traiano-]

I agree with those which prefer to wait and face well prepared enemys...In the first 20-30 turns i attack onli rebels and i build economy and army...then i start to dance!

[diadok]

I have mod the game to get a start with more settlements, strong castles and cities, garrisons, armies, and characters, for each faction... and so, the blitz is TOTALY impossible BOYCOTT BLITZ MEN

an example of "blitz" in the first turn of my campaign:

no, little blitzman, you shouldn't do that, keep cool man

i think i will start a game with ghazni, which have a very good position for gameplay, and also one of the largest tactical possibilities with their troops

but i won't blitz against this:

[TWmadman]

to blitz the AI isn't a big challenge, it's quite easy, try to blitz good human player in multiplayer campaign in any mod and we'll see who will laugh

[Otsman]

i just finished a ghazni campaign, and what i did is that i got an alliance with the seljuks and we both attacked khwarazm, i then managed to get an alliance with both singh and the rajputs, and both were at war with the ghorids. i also made sure that no khwarazminian diplomats made it to the ghorids . for my finale I sent 8 stacks (sindh sent 4 and the rajputs, well i couldn't even count) we all then carved up the ghorid sultante, and everything was good again

[Kip]

No need to kill off the Ghorids:



The Ghorids are my best and closest allies...they've traded me cities in return for military aid against the Rajputs, its been a really productive and fun relationship. Yes, you guys might say they could betray me soon, but I'd argue that I'd rather be betrayed by the Ghorids on my border than the Rajputs on my border (aka, fight a million Ghorid stacks or a bazillion Rajput stacks).