goddess Vs god, which is the more likely?

[Amorphos]

goddess Vs god, which is the more likely?

i think a goddess is more likely [if at all] than a god, this is because i see space as like a womb ~ some of those hubble telescope pics of the edge of the universe resemble a foetus attached to a womb in my mind anyway. secondly i see much nurturing in nature and well any development or evolution even. however i don’t see anything that suggests creation or a major male god. many ancient societies were matriarchal, temples and tombs etc both seam like femenine spaces to me also ~ which is probably why the ancients saw things this way.

so if anything which do you think is more likely?

i would like to point out that ultimately i don’t see sexuality as primary to an infinite and or universal entity.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

some of those hubble telescope pics of the edge of the universe resemble a foetus attached to a womb in my mind anyway.

huh?

I don't see how the Universe could have a gender by any means. There must be a "male" universe with the "female" one, and this is highly unlikely because dark matter is clearly not living matter.

[Sher Khan]

The s/he thing is just a naming convention. Unless you're into medieval or fundamentalist imagery, God neither has a penis or a vagina.


"HE" is really just our more polite way of saying "IT."

Using She, however, has a pretty specific connotation (that of being a female deity) in common English whereas He does not have such definite connotations.

[Amorphos]

I don’t see how the Universe could have a gender by any means. There must be a “male” universe with the “female” one, and this is highly unlikely because dark matter is clearly not living matter.

this thread is more for people who see the spiritual side of things, i cannot explain it in the context of the physical.

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The s/he thing is just a naming convention. Unless you’re into medieval or fundamentalist imagery, God neither has a penis or a vagina.

what makes us or anything have either? i think there is more to sexuality than its outer most form. the penis comes after the vagina we males have nipples y'know what i am saying!

“HE” is really just our more polite way of saying “IT.”

what does ‘it’ mean? then what does it mean in a universal context? explain that and you will see where i am coming from.

Using She, however, has a pretty specific connotation (that of being a female deity) in common English whereas He does not have such definite connotations.

just linguistics. not relevant.

[basics]

Quetzalcoatl,

What you describe as seeing is but creation itself and not God since God cannot be seen owing to Him being the invisible God. So in reply to what you infer it is quite wrong since Father means father in terms of sexuality, often spoken of by the Son, Jesus Christ. God has no mother nor does He have a wife.

[Gaidin]

When you're dealing with a volatile wackjob omnipotent with an itchy trigger finger, the last thing you should be concerned about is the gender.

[KingDesra]

I don't see the point in this lol why don't you ask God who He is instead of speculating or making one up in your mind.

[Gunslinger-52]

I don't see the point in this lol why don't you ask God who He is instead of speculating or making one up in your mind.

Everytime i tried praying to the christian god during my naive childhood i couldn't help but notice that god's PM box was full if you know what i mean.

Back on topic i fail to see why whatever gods may be have to be of either gender. the whole concept of assigning a gender to any given deity strikes me as a cheap way to make them more feasible to those who have trouble connecting with something they cannot see.

and for the record i will state that my personal beliefs are somewhere between atheistic and agnostic.

[Dayman]

I don't see the point in this lol why don't you ask God who He is instead of speculating or making one up in your mind.

Well since you seem to have a direct connection to an eternal being's mind why don't you tell us, my entire life all I got was the three beeps. Not even a busy signal.

[Sidmen]

God is both male and female, or neither. It is also possible that we are nothing more than primitive AIs in a 3rd rate alien game.

Once you throw all science and reason out the window anything and everything is possible.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

If God is what we think it is, it is neither. A womb is nothing without sperm, and vice-versa, so you can't label God as anything.

[MaximiIian]

Both are equally likely and equally unlikely.

Hence, one of the reasons I've involved myself with the Wiccan religion. Wiccan traditional thought places divinity in both masculine and feminine beings, as manifestations or personifications of the contrasting male-and-female elements in the universe.
Although my personal view is more pantheistic/atheistic as part of a modern eclectic Wiccan philosophy, I do see traditional Wicca's point in their assertions.

[The Fish]

I personally ascribe to the idea that the Paramatman is "Dampati Daivata," that is, God as a couple. This is a cornerstone idea of Vaishnava philosophy, in which Vishnu and Lakshmi represent the twin, masculine and feminine identities of the Divine.

[Amorphos]

basics
instead of talking just to your supposed one god, perhaps you should learn to listen to the great mother. we have been missing this spiritual side of things which is why we are near to destroying the world.

gunslinger-52

Back on topic i fail to see why whatever gods may be have to be of either gender. the whole concept of assigning a gender to any given deity strikes me as a cheap way to make them more feasible to those who have trouble connecting with something they cannot see.

why do you think gender is just about the physical? i have no trouble because i do ‘see’ it. i am only agnostic because these things arent terribly tangible and even less descriptive + i like to leave things open rather than believe i am a great knower of truth and light and that those who arent are going to hell etc.

sidmen

God is both male and female, or neither. It is also possible that we are nothing more than primitive AIs in a 3rd rate alien game.

the ultimate entity of spirit/mind is not sexual yes, but then there are degrees between that and us [and all the most external manifestations]. it is like yin and yang. we are not in an alien game unless we can show how this is possible?

shyam
it is a chicken and egg thing ~ which comes first? for me it is the feminine you then stick a penis on it and you have male lols.

maximilian

Wiccan traditional thought places divinity in both masculine and feminine beings, as manifestations or personifications of the contrasting male-and-female elements in the universe.

yes same as druidry, but in druidry the great god is feminine. masculine gods are centralised and formed, the fiminine can be completely unformed and infinite. in fact i think of infinity as the prime real nature of the goddess.

fishy

I personally ascribe to the idea that the Paramatman is “Dampati Daivata,” that is, God as a couple. This is a cornerstone idea of Vaishnava philosophy, in which Vishnu and Lakshmi represent the twin, masculine and feminine identities of the Divine.

yes i agree, it is the same in druidry.

on a deeper level we may see the feminine masculine as like yin yang, as i see it we have universal mind, then aspected within that is ‘centralised mind’ and ‘de-centralised mind’. we could see our own [and all] minds as both, in that our minds are centralised yet expand out into the feminine. this is how we feel what is around us and especially so it is how we ‘see’, perceive and feel part of the all.

we can break all this down to sacred geometry, where you have a point in a circle in a space ~ the divine centre in a sphere which is the 'womb'.

btw i have been thinking about the atman ~ perhaps i took the meaning a little to literally! we have to have descriptions even of that which is essentially descriptionless.

[Ummon]

I personally ascribe to the idea that the Paramatman is "Dampati Daivata," that is, God as a couple. This is a cornerstone idea of Vaishnava philosophy, in which Vishnu and Lakshmi represent the twin, masculine and feminine identities of the Divine.

God has a female component for sure. The only problem is never to consider it separate.

[Blau&Gruen]

wisdom

Lady wisdom.

[MaximiIian]

God has a female component for sure. The only problem is never to consider it separate.

Why not?
Why must Divinity be manifested in a singular being? Why can it not be two, or even more, beings sharing a collective unconscious?

I think, though I personally believe in a more atheistic-pantheistic view of deity, that a model of two deities, male and female in gender, respectively, is a lot more reasonable and possible than a single being with what appears to be split-personality disorder.

[Exarch]

the old testament god has got to be female.
no man would be that jealous and fickle.







just kidding!!!

[Gunslinger-52]

why do you think gender is just about the physical? i have no trouble because i do ‘see’ it. i am only agnostic because these things arent terribly tangible and even less descriptive + i like to leave things open rather than believe i am a great knower of truth and light and that those who arent are going to hell etc.

You are correct in pointing out that there is a spiritual side to the argument. I will admit that i was only addressed the physical side of things in my above post. I just fail to see why a deity has to be of either sex. perhaps god is beyond gender despite what a lot of sects believe. I hope that that clarified my thoughts on the matter. by the way your last sentence describes a very good phiosophy in my book.

[PointOfViewGun]

There is no way God has a gender. Some languages just have to define everything by either male or female. Not everyone has this problem.