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    Icon1 "HISTORICAL THRUE"

    Sorry for my bad english...
    This mod is great...i love this...!!!...but somthing is missing "HISTORICAL THRUE"--- PELASGIA---the land traco-pelasgic
    I have maps(anicienst time),image(unit)...if this help the mod
    I research the tracians tribe(guild)-dacians,getae,agatrsi,carpii,costoborcii,dii,moesii(moesia) and many others tribe///historic tracians are over 200 tribe
    I research something abouth the sarmatians and makedonia,scitia,sparta,tracians tribe in north Italy...
    I have some idea..., PLS reply

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    I am not sure what you are trying to say. To my knowledge Pelasgian was the name the Hellenes gave to the pre-Hellene inhabitants of Greece.

    There are many Thracian tribes, but there are many other tribes and many independent poleis. Unfortunately, they can't all be included in the game as the engine only allows 31 factions. If you think that your faction merits a place, you should provide evidence (serious evidence, not Wikipedia or other internet sources) that they were unified, expansionistic and considered to be a major power during the time and age of EB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacia.org
    The Thracian genealogical tree counts over 200 tribes, of which the most important ones are those of the Dacians, the Getae, the Ramantes people, of the Besins (the metallurgists), of the Latins, etc.

    According to Mircea Eliade, the huge number of the branches coming out of the Thracian genealogical tree would amount to approximately 200. (”The Dictionary of

    Religions,” page. 265) Professor Dumitru Balasa drew up a chart of these and counted no less than 150 Thracian branches (see “The Country of the Sun” or “The History of Daco-Romania,” Kagaion Publishing House, 1997).

    Herodotus (425 BC) would write: “The Thracian people is the most numerous one of the world; the Thracians have several names, according to their specific regions, but their habits are more or less the same.” (Fontes, I, 65) After the Greek victory over the Persians, at Maraton, the king Xerxes (486-465 BC) makes himself a big army among whose soldiers Herodotus mentions the

    presence of the Bithynian Thracians, from the north-western Asia Minor, who are described as follows:

    “The Thracians joined the expedition wearing fox caps, wearing long coats under their vivid colored capes. Their calf-high footwear was made of deerskin. They were equipped with spears, light shields and small daggers.”

    Ovid, in his “The Sorrowful” speaks about the Geto-Dacians in the following words:
    * You can see them on horseback, riding in midroad.
    * Among them you won’t find anyone who does not carry a quiver, bow and arrows whose spikes are yellow with the viper’s poison.
    * Their voices are hoarse, their faces wild and they look like the most genuine embodiment of Mars.
    * They have never had their hair or beard cut.
    * Their right hand is always ready to thrust the knife that they have fastened to their hip. In 547 BC Cyrus’ Persians defeated the Thracian Lydian kingdom in Asia Minor, extending their sovereignty as far to the northwest as the southern shore of the Sea of Marmara.


    The Persian king Darius I (522-486 BC) undertook an expedition northwards of the Danube, and according to Herodotus, the only branch of the Thracians to fight with them were the Getae from Scythia Minor (Dobrogea), who would not have Darius settle down there. Darius was attacked both by the Thracians from the Pangaion Mountains and by the Odomanti Thracians, who had settled down northwards, preserving thus their independence.

    In the course of history, the Thracian Peninsula (of the Chersonese) was in turn under Persian and then under Greek command.

    The tribal confederation of the Odrisi-Thracians, which had had a resounding evolution, was to be broken up by the Macedonian king Philip II, as a result of a fratricidal war. The king undertook an expedition to the lower Danube regions (339 BC), where the Getic king Kothelas had given him his daughter, Meda, away in marriage. The same Macedonian Thracians, loaded with prisoners and cattle after defeating the Scythians, were attacked, in their turn, as they were crossing the Haemus Mountains on their way back home, by the Tribal Thracians who robbed them of their spoils of war and wounded Philip II badly in the leg.

    Four years later, a young Macedonian Thracian, Philip II’s son, Alexander the Great (336-326 BC) took a foray into the regions north of the Balkan Mountains, to the “Gods’ Country” - Dacia - and, like his father, fought hard battles against his Geto-Dacian brothers whose king Syrmos (”from the sun”) had barricaded himself on an isle on the Danube, known today as “Paiucul lui Soare”.
    I had neither heard about king Syrmos nor about his later defeat. They on the other hand didn’t know about the Geto-Dacian origin of the name Alexander. By the way, let us stop for a second and study its origin: Alexan-Dros - “The one sacrificed to the stag” (as Orpheus’ stag was also called Dros “the Stag”; the terrible Getic tradition, according to which a pure herald or messenger was to be sent to Heaven, was made up in the memory of his sacrifice. (See A. Bucurescu “Secret Dacia”, page. 21).

    Thus Alexander is a very old Pelasgian, Carpatho-Danubian name - and the world should know about it. He was the messenger who every four years was thrown up and then caught in spears and who by his death would bring his people’s message to the Supreme God.


    In the course of history, the Carpatho-Danubian people spread around the core of the natural fortress made by the Carpathians, mountains difficult to pass or climb, where gold, silver and salt were in abundance.

    The Carpatho-Danubians spread about the whole Central Europe, from the Austrian Alps and from the Bavarian Plain as far as the tablelands of the Eastern Galicia and the steppe of Dobrogea, reaching the so-called meridional (southern) Russia; from the Nistru (Dniester) as far as Kuban (see the Cimmerian Thracians), Asia Minor - the Thracian (Aegean) Sea Islands were

    first inhabited by the Pelasgian-Thracian-Aryan “Carpatho-Danubians” - and reaching Northern Africa (see the Garamantes).

    However, if history seems to have been so generous with our Thracian people, not the same thing happens with the contemporary historians.

    Along the river Marita, there used to live the Odrisi-Thracians, their name being mentioned until as late as the 3rd century BC. Similarly, along the river Struma there lived the Medes, a tribe from which Spartacus descended, the one who shook and frightened Rome. Born around the year 113 BC, enrolled in the Roman army, he took the liberty of a “short holiday” on his own account, got caught and was then turned into a gladiator-slave.

    Educated at the Capua school, excellently trained and skilled and with a Thracian heart pounding in his chest, he would not die in the ring (arena) to the satisfaction of “the masters”, and escaped together with other 70 fellow prisoners, building himself a small army with which he managed to shake the Roman Empire.

    It was fear that forced the Romans, several times defeated by the army of the Thracian Spartacus, to send Marcus Licinius Crassus and Pompei (brought from Spain especially for this) against him. Defeated by a huge army, Spartacus dies heroically, in 71BC, near Silar, facing his death with laughter, in the old Dacian tradition.

    the Symbol of Eternal Life, the Pelasgian Swastika=German Swastika

    Thus, such old symbols - used and abused - may lose their original value; this happened to the old Carpatho-Danubian Hittite emblem of the two-headed eagle. First taken by Byzantium, then by the Huns on founding the Austro-Hungarian Empire, etc. etc., only to be nowadays taken over by the new Russia.


    Let us not forget the Odrisi people - a Thracian tribe settled in the Rodopi Mountains - who rose in arms against the Roman Empire in 26AD.

    The Ph.D. Univ. Prof. Decebal Bucurescu mentions Herodotus (Histories, II, 56) who speaks about “Ellas (Greece) - a country formerly called Pelasgia.”

    These Greek people who made their arrival between 1900-1400 BC in four waves - the Achaean, the Ionian, the Dorian, and the Aeolian - found the Carpatho-Danubian Pelasgians (calling themselves Thracians) at home. The above-mentioned Greek people defeated us several times, managing to occupy the southern part of the Balkan Peninsula. Then they took over Asia Minor

    (see the war against the Ramantes Thracians, citizens of Troy) and finally took possession of our islands in the Thracian Sea (the Greeks changing its name into the Aegean Sea) (see their war under Teristocles against the Sinthion ? ori Sinthionian?

    Thracians.)

    revenge on the Greeks came as the Macedonian-Pelasgian Thracian Alexander (336-323 BC) defeated Greece and enrolled the defeated soldiers in his army, as tradition has it. Alexander re-builds in a short while the Great Pelasgian Empire, re-conquering Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, India, the capital of this new Great Pelasgian Empire being at Pela.

    Time went by and now, after 2000 years, the “Greek historians” this time re-discover the Macedonian Alexander, consider him of Greek origin and place him in the Pantheon (after 2000 years!!!)

    Alexander, come down to us, old prince

    Gather them together

    And divide them into two herds:

    Madmen and rascals.


    In the meantime, the Pelasgians became Greeks, as the Thracians had done; is it possible that Herodotus was wrong or maybe he did not know what the phrase “politically correct” meant when he considered the Thracians different from the Greeks? History, history, history … poor history.

    No sword will strike off

    A humble, submissive head,

    Yet, the chain will surely bend it.


    Herodotus, in “Histories V. 9? wrote that “starting with the Hercynian Woods, the western frontier of the Pelasgian Thracian space crosses the Eastern Alps, passing by Noricum, a province inhabited mainly by Dacian and Celto-Germanic people, and then goes as far down as to the Aquileea (nowadays Terzo d’ Aquileia - Italy), to the Venetians’ Golf. From this point the western and south-western border of the Pelasgian -Thracian space follows the shore of the Adriatic Sea, the entire western shore of the Balkan Peninsula and reaches as far as Crete.

    According to Strabon’s information from Geography (VII, 5, 1 - “The Istros and the Alps between Italy and Germany”) “the Pelasgian-Thracian-Illyrian populations own a territory bordering on that lake (reference is made to Constanza, a lake in today’s Switzerland) next to which live the Vindelicii, the Retti, and the Helvetti … The above-mentioned territory (Alpine-Pannonian-Illyrian) was laid waste by the Boi people and the Taurians - Celtic tribes under Critasiros. The Dacians laid claim over this territory, although they were separated from it by the river Parisos (today, the river Paar, in Germany) which crossed the mountains and flowed into “the Istros” (old name of the Danube).

    The origin of this Thracian people, for whom the geography and climatic conditions contributed to their white-colored skin (preserved like this despite Oriental invasions, crossbreeding and overrunning), is easily apt to be confused with that of the Carpatho-Danubian Aryans, of the old

    Pelasgian people, founders of modern Europe. Of late, more and more researchers have been of the opinion that the cradle of the old Europe is the Carpatho-Danubian space (Marija Gimutas), while P.Bosch-Ghimpera holds that the starting territory of the European peoples is the space between the Danube’s Valley, the Aegean Sea (the Thracian Sea) and the Black Sea (the Getic Sea). The same opinion was shared both by historians, archaeologists and by certain linguists, among which we should mention Vladimir Georgiev. The importance of the Thracians and of the Thracian space was scientifically proved for the first time by Vasile Parvan. Born on September 28, 1882, in the small parish village Perchiu, from the village Huruiesti, in the Tecuci district, son of a rural inventor, Vasile Parvan too fell in love with the prehistory of the Romanian people. At 27 he became a member of the Romanian Academy, professor of ancient history at the University of Bucharest, and Director of the National Museum of Antiquities. He is the author of the historical and archaeological synthesis about the proto-history of Dacia, work that he himself entitled “The Getic”. The work brings proof - well documented and conclusive - as to the greatness of the Geto-Dacian people. Vasile Parvan died young, before turning 45; his

    scientific work is an invaluable thesaurus.

    Linguistically speaking, several researchers back up the existence of an Aryan language (Pelasgian) from which the Thracian language later developed with all its local variants. Considering the similarities and links between the Hittite and Aryan languages, it is obvious that the peoples’ migration took place from the west to the east, that is from Europe to Asia and not the other way round.

    The old form of the Hittite words is proof that they derived from the Carpatho-Danubian trunk (European) reaching thus Asia Minor. The existing archaeological and anthropological evidence is enough (according to J.C.Dragan in “We, the Thracians”, page. 90) to say that as early as the Neolithic Age in the Thracian space and in the neighboring area there lived an aboriginal population - the forefathers of the Historical European Peoples and that linguistically, this population can be considered Pre-Aryan.

    I consider that the historians and archaeologists have wrongfully neglected our Thracian-Dacian mythology.

    International Symposium of Thracology (15-18 May 1998). The agenda included the topics:


    1. The oldest Pre-Thracian symbol found - the swastika - 6,000 BC;

    2. The first ornaments and golden masks (of Thracian origin) to be found - 3,800 BC (karanovo V-VI);

    3. 1,600 treasures of the Thracian kings - considered the most beautiful in the world;

    4. New Thracian splendors.


    In the “Iliad”, Homer, speaking of the Thracians, mentioned that “their golden shields made their armies shine,” and that “their treasures were so precious that Priam (king of the Thracian Troy) could take back the head of his dead son from the hands of the Greeks only after offering the latter the famous Golden Thracian Cup.”

    All the great civilizations flourished along the valleys of the great rivers and especially at their rivermouths: the Egyptian civilization, on the Nile, the Mesopotamian one, between the Tigris and the Euphrates, the Indian one on the Indus and the Gange, the Chinese civilization on the Yellow River, and the European one, with or without the consent of the “great professors of history and archaeology”, on the Danube’s valley, and especially on its delta. This is the real cradle of the Proto-European civilization - the old precincts of the Carpathians and of the Danube. In the ancient days it was here that the Greeks would come looking for the Golden Wool and Danubian agricultural riches. In these specific places the famous Golden Age flourished, with its Heroes’ Cemetery at the rivermouth of the Danube and the Gods’ Dwelling Place in the fortress of the Koga-Ion.

    Take a look at the map and you will see the splendor of this country, where the springs find their way out of the mountains and follow their fan-shaped course to the Danube, along quiet valleys and gently-sloping hills, propitious for agriculture and grazing. From high above, this ellipse-shaped hydrographic network looks like the Egg of Genesis. These mountains of salt without which man’s life and the raising of cattle simply cannot be imagined represented in those ancient times a bigger wealth than gold; and indeed maybe it was the most valuable wealth to own for the ancient people. As an old Dacian fairy tale has it, nothing is more precious than “the salt in one’s food.”

    The richness of the soil and of the subsoil made the Thracian space be coveted by the neighboring tribes and peoples. And indeed, it was this Eldorado of antiquity that those neighbors wished for. “The European invaders came and are still coming from the east.” The migrations from the south to the north were caused not only by economic reasons but also by the changes in the climate and in the flora and fauna; as J.C.Dragan wrote “any tree which bears fruit and seeds, seeks to spread them around;” similarly, our Dacian-Thracian people, through prolific tribes, yielded fruits and spread either around its own territory, migrating as far as Asia or crossed the narrows of Bosporus and of Dardanelles, reaching Anatolia; this is how the Ramantes-Dardans built the fortress Troy, and the Phrygians made up a branch later called Phrygia; the Mysians were a small branch of the Moesian people, living south of the Danube; the Messapians, the Lapigians and the Veneti, from eastern Italy were related to the Dalmatian and Pannonian Thraco-Illyrians (where the state Rhama lay until the arrival of the Hungarians) the extension of the Carpatho-Danubian people looks very much like an atomic explosion, with its epicenter on their homeland, in The Country of the Sun, in the Aryan Pre-Sanskrit Daksha. Our ancestors then settle along the river Hipanis (the Bug) and the Borystene (Nipru or the Dnieper). The Cimmerian people were herded on to the south by the Scythians, but the latter would not merge with the Great Thracian population, leaving behind only … a name. The Thracians who spread as far to the west as the Atlantic Ocean reached the Valley of the Vistula too, and founded fortresses like Getidava; other branches, like that of the Etruscans and the Veneti were to head for the valley of the Padus. They conquered the Italian Peninsula at least four times, the last time under the Bright Ramantes Aeneas, who hailed from around Oltina (today Dobrogea), or according to Homer and Virgil, from Troy. Demosthenes and Iphycrates considered it a great honor that their mothers were of Thracian descent; the Greeks “borrowed” our gods and had only their names changed, tasting to the full of the Geto-Dacian myths and beliefs.

    You will not see a humble and terrified people get any respect any more than you will see a rabbit sitting next to a wolf.

    We should bear in mind that we were the first to set foot on this European Land, and that we did it before the Greeks, or the Slavs.

    All these newcomers wish we had not existed so that they might have certain rights! Some even say Transylvania had been a vacant place, so when they came they just settled there, on an unoccupied territory. The same people urge us even more to believe - fool as we are - that we appeared after 106 AD, as a result of the “union” between two men - Trajan and Decebalus - the former conquering 14% of the Dacian territory after a fratricidal war.

    This is history - the history of the Carpatho-Danubian people, of the Pelasgians, of the Thracians, of the Daco-Ramantes.
    Sourced: http://www.dacia.org/history/trdac_e.html
    Last edited by Sher Khan; February 06, 2008 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escho View Post
    Dio Cassius would say, “let us not forget that Trajan was a true-born Thracian.
    .
    Wasn't Trajan Iberian? Every single book i read says he was born in Hispania Baetica? :hmmm:
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    Firstly, it doesn't seem like this is your own writing. You must source any writings that you copy otherwise your post will be deleted for plagarism and copyright infringement.

    Secondly, instant dismissal for the last two paragraphs. We have no interest in romantic histories of one's own people. Claiming things like "... we are the founders of Europe" instantly makes me wonder about the veracity of the account given above.

    We already have the Getai. It is doubtful whether we will include another tribe from this region.

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    no problem,if the unit in EB II are the unit from EB I, pls remove Getikoi Stratiotai (Dacian Light Phalanx) and Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx),this never exist.
    The getae Phalanx never exist,they fight with spear and lancers

    http://www.enciclopedia-dacica.ro/cartografica/dacia

    55 maps for getai, dacians and another tracians tribes

    http://www.enciclopedia-dacica.ro/

    English section

    some history...
    Last edited by Sher Khan; February 06, 2008 at 09:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by escho View Post
    no problem,if the unit in EB II are the unit from EB I, pls remove Getikoi Stratiotai (Dacian Light Phalanx) and Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx),this never exist.
    The getae Phalanx never exist,they fight with spear and lancers
    Have you proof for that other than those romantic histories you keep reporting. I believe the evidence for the dacian phalanx is pike length spears found in dacian burials (its probably something like that).

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    Hayasdan Faction Co-ordinator

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    Icon3 Re: "HISTORICAL THRUE"

    Again, if you copied a text from another site, you should indicate where you got it.

    I am still a bit unclear on what you are trying to prove. Do you disagree with anything in EB (other than the phalanx) or are you simply posting information?

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    http://www.enciclopedia-dacica.ro/

    Falx Dacica

    sorry for my mistake...
    Last edited by Sher Khan; February 06, 2008 at 09:42 AM.

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    I have edited the informative post to include a source, and have merged escho's double posts.

    Please use the edit button in the future to make additions to your posts rather than double posting, escho. Thank you.

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