Previous thread of US candidates (merged)

[HorseArcher]

I have closed the other thread and posted a new poll according to the remaining candidates, please continue here.

Here is the previous Democratic Thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132545

[HorseArcher]

New poll, according to the remaining candidates.

Here is the old thread :
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=141750

[Dunecat]

*cherishes fresh new thread*

Ron Paul, unfortunately. I'm voting for him in Ohio's primary, then the SD ticket in the general election.

[bushbush]

go John McCain!!!!!!!!!

[Dunecat]

Can I get a Ron Paul?

No?

[JP226]

I liked ron paul's idea of currency competition a helluva alot. Granted I was indifferent as to gold but, if we want to go back to the founding fathers, currency competition IS the only way.

[Shaun]

Ron Paul. Couldn't stand another neocon.

[Snoopy]

Ron Paul. Couldn't stand another neocon.

Are you being sarcastic? Earlier you were saying how bad RP was.

[Oldgamer]

Archer, I was just wondering if you had closed the GOP and DEM threads. Note that I've got no problem with that. I was just curious as to why they were closed.

My vote is for McCain ... when he talks about sacrifice and honoring our sacred dead, he never fails to inspire me. Also, Michael Medved has pointed out that McCain is actually more conservative than the conservative we all admire ... Ronald Reagan.

Of course, in the Primary, I will cast a vote for Huckabee, in order to remind everyone in the upper echelons of the Party who they need for a victory in November.

Also from Michael Medved:

Wednesday, January 23, 2008
Who's the "RINO" now?
Posted by: Michael Medved at 6:07 PM

The obnoxious term “RINO” stands for “Republican In Name Only” and suggests that those who draw the designation aren’t loyal to the party; they identify with the GOP only for convenience or personal advantage, not out of conviction or commitment.

It is with great sadness that I therefore report that some prominent conservative commentators, who threaten to withhold support from the party’s nominee if their candidates don’t win top spot on the ticket, now deserve the dreaded label “RINO.”

Anyone who says he couldn’t make a choice between John McCain and Hillary/Obama is a RINO – a nominal and disloyal Republican. Worse than that, he’s an idiot.

From a conservative perspective, it’s easy to come up with, say, twenty-five issues areas in which McCain would be preferable to Barack/Clinton. How about the war on terror, taxes, socialized medicine, school choice, cutting government, gays in the military, tort reform, curbing abortion, second amendment rights, nuclear power, pork barrel spending, support for Israel, confronting Iran, affirmative action, appointing strict constructionist judges, and many, many more.

Above all, the question that should dominate this election cycle was well-formulated by Roger Simon: In the not unlikely event that Islamists come to power in Pakistan, placing a pro-terror regime in charge of at least 60 nuclear weapons, who would you like to see sitting at a desk in the oval office?

Anyone who pretends that it makes no difference whether Hillary or McCain is sitting at that desk is so blinded by self-righteous ire that he’d risk the survival of civilization to make some arcane political point.

If McCain wins the nomination (by no means a sure thing), all true Republicans and sane conservatives will support him. Those who do not are RINO’s—Republicans In Name Only—with no true commitment to our party and its principles.

Those who abandon the GOP because they don’t get their way will follow Pat Buchanan into irrelevance and embarrassment. In 2000, the three-time GOP contender insisted that he couldn’t choose between George W. Bush and Al Gore. His Reform Party campaign drew only one-sixth the votes of Ralph Nader – and less than 00.3% of the total. His efforts didn’t succeed in “purging” the Republican Party, but they did purge Pitchfork Pat himself of all political influence.

In the midst of a heated fight for the nomination, smart and good people may say silly things they will later regret. No, I don’t want to drive them from the GOP (which is why nobody really deserves the insulting title, RINO) but I do hope to drive out the childish notion that you build a majority party by narrowing (or “purifying”) its base.

Winning elections (which is the only way you ultimately influence policy) is based on drawing people into your coalition, not driving them away.

All true Republicans should therefore consider the four excellent candidates remaining in this race and make their own choices of the best of them. For some party loyalists, there will be disappointment in the process: it’s always possible that your favorite fails to win a place on the ticket. That happened to supporters of Ronald Reagan when he lost the nomination to Gerald Ford in 1976. Reagan, however, never wavered in backing Ford in the general election, and nearly all his supporters followed his example.

A threat to quit the party, or “sit this one out” if you don’t get your way, undermines any future claims of loyalty or leadership. A big movement deserves big leaders (like Reagan), not childish sulkers. As with the kid who threatens to hold his breath if his mom refuses to give in, the current tantrums will no doubt pass. The hysterics must eventually take a deep breath and, before long, begin to think more clearly.

http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/

[HorseArcher]

Archer, I was just wondering if you had closed the GOP and DEM threads. Note that I've got no problem with that. I was just curious as to why they were closed.




http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/

The polls were expired, and I couldn't remove the poll from the thread.

The reason it was closed, so no 2 threads running about the same topic. I posted the link (first post) to the old thread if you want to comment anything or anyone from there.

[Oldgamer]

The polls were expired, and I couldn't remove the poll from the thread.

The reason it was closed, so no 2 threads running about the same topic. I posted the link (first post) to the old thread if you want to comment anything or anyone from there.

Thanks, my friend!

@ronnec
RP's foreign policy positions are barely cahnged versions of the foreign policy that existed in the 1920's. It has evolved, somewhat, and Congressman Paul has added his own touches to it. But I would call it neo-isolationism.

[Wicked]

Ron Paul...never going to win...

Yet another reason to nuke ourselves...

-Wicked

[Tiberius Tosi]

John McCain all the way

PS- when John McCain does his little two thumbs up thing, is that honestly as high as he can raise his arms? I ask because I read that he can't raise his hands above his head because of the torture during his captivity in Vietnam.

[Thanatos]

What happened to Alan Keyes?

[wilpuri]

Ron Paul. The only, I repeat only, candidate talking sense foreign-policy wise.

[s.rwitt]

Ron Paul. The only, I repeat only, candidate talking sense foreign-policy wise.

Yeah, isolationism forever! I mean it is what got us out of the Great Depression, stopped Hitler, and won the Cold War, right?

And it's just been so successful every time we've tried it!


[/sarcasm]

[wilpuri]

Yeah, isolationism forever! I mean it is what got us out of the Great Depression, stopped Hitler, and won the Cold War, right?

And it's just been so successful every time we've tried it!


[/sarcasm]

You're funny.

[Dunecat]

Yeah, isolationism forever! I mean it is what got us out of the Great Depression, stopped Hitler, and won the Cold War, right?

And it's just been so successful every time we've tried it!


[/sarcasm]

God, like we haven't been over this a million times...

Non-interventionism and realism are not isolationism... An over-aggressive military operating under the Bush Doctrine effectively IS, however...

[thelonius viking]

Yeah, isolationism forever! I mean it is what got us out of the Great Depression, stopped Hitler, and won the Cold War, right?

And it's just been so successful every time we've tried it!


[/sarcasm]

By declaring him an 'isolationist' you only prove your ignorance as to his stances on foreign policy. And American business financed Hitler's rise to power INCLUDING PRESCOTT BUSH our current Presidents Grandfather who's bank in New York was seized for having over 3,000,000 in Nazi money. And the Great Depression was engineered by The Federal Reserve to buy other banks for a lower price. Dude seriously, study history and economics before opening your mouth and pretending you have a any idea of did or is happening in the world.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

By declaring him an 'isolationist' you only prove your ignorance as to his stances on foreign policy. And American business financed Hitler's rise to power INCLUDING PRESCOTT BUSH our current Presidents Grandfather who's bank in New York was seized for having over 3,000,000 in Nazi money. And the Great Depression was engineered by The Federal Reserve to buy other banks for a lower price. Dude seriously, study history and economics before opening your mouth and pretending you have a any idea of did or is happening in the world.

Regard the log in your eye before you concern yourself with the speck in your neighbor's.