I sometimes feel as though...

[Ältester der Motten]

...humanity (save a few remarkabe examples) still has not been able to ascend to a higher level of sociality than hundreds or thousands of years ago.
In the last few months I personally had to encounter 4 cases of social ineptness that would make you want to shoot yourself, each by itself. And I don't even have that much deep contact to persons a lot, especially conerning I basically dwell in the internet.

This paragraph only elaborates the cases, may skip if your time is tight.

The most shameful being the case of a swedish friend of mine, whose mother revealed her that the whole family hates her, even though she didn't elaborate anything further to me, which I can understand. And I can tell you she sure as hell does not deserve that.
Second case, another very good friend of mine has had trouble with a guy who, so he said, "actually" loved her, when there came up this girl, being all "in love" with him. He actually told this said friend he'd keep true to her, few days later that tard told my friend he'd stick to the girl, for she'd be "kinda suicidal" (sure, she's in love...), my dear friend of course abandoned that unstable untrustful prick.
A bit later said guy comes back, now that other girl, who was so much in love with him, gave in to mere unbacked rumours of him cheating to her, instead of trusting her beloved boyfriend, and if that was not silly enough, that guy seriously has the guts to try it again with said friend, who got my advise to keep the social contact low, if she wants to be nice to him.
Third case involving me even more , as the vctim itslef to be exact.
Here a mother of a young child I learned to love very quickly (imagine a non-supernatural, a bit more quiet and "gentle" version of Pippi Longstocking, tehn you have a clue about her) forbid me to visit her any more, for she feared for her little child, even though she has NO evidence whatsoever (except you take being nice and caring as notable evidence, which still is not much). Worst is, she did not have the guts to tell me, so we might have a talk, no, she had to play hale world and later tell my mum. She nowadays ignores me.
Fourth case is once again a case of ignorance, and I am yet again the victim.
So tehre is this lovely girl, whom I truly loved (and still do), she also appeared to like me very much, in basically any matter you could imagine. However, a while ago this girl somehow had the idea I frighten her. At first I've been able to get her back, with her silly excuse having been bad english skills (she's neither native german/english), which I have taken as it was, even though it was the worst lie I ever heard, for I thought it was settled. After all she contacted me again. Then she possible decided to ignore me, just after -you maybe won't believe it- making suggestive remarks (not in the sexual manner), and she was quite possibly not kidding around, I knew her for quite a while, and this was not the first time anyway.
And that being said she did not even elaborate the problem, so I was and stll am not possible to know my mistake (somehow I had to scare her, after all ) and to better myself, I even had to ask a ****ing friend f her to actually know WHY she ingored me.


TL;DR Do you have negative experiences with very faulty social behaviour yourself, except for the usual war, thievery, murder, rape, etc.?
Or, to be more exact, did you have similar experiences with persons who you supposed to be able to act better like that? Normal, nice, social people like you and me who get at least disappointed when hearing about the latest anycrime or some other asocial deed done anywhere by anyone to anywhom?
Do you think aswell humanity hasn't notably ascended on a higher social level, or maybe I just have bad luck meeting people and actually most people are indeed are socially capable?

[Gwendylyn]

Do you understand what anecdotal evidence and sample bias are?

[Ältester der Motten]

Do you understand what anecdotal evidence and sample bias are?

Do you understand what sometimes I feel means?


To the others, I understand man is far from perfection, and perfection is not wished by myself, but that is not my question. It is:
Did you encounter something comparable, do you sometimes have the feeling aswell (not simply out of emo butthurtery, but of a simple glare at the straight facts), or do you think I am just way wrong?

[Gwendylyn]

Do you understand what sometimes I feel means?

Yes I do, and my response is still perfectly appropriate since the best evidence for or against "feelings" lies in fact.

[Dracula]

Gwendylin,is it a fact that you pester people or not ?!

[Gwendylyn]

Gwendylin,is it a fact that you pester people or not ?!

If you do not like my posts, you are free to ignore them.

[General A. Skywalker]

Do you think aswell humanity hasn't notably descended on a higher social level, or maybe I just have bad luck meeting people and actually most people are indeed are socially capable?

Well, that's not a miracle I think and I wouldn't be too surprised about this. We have new forms of government, new ethics and morale, but that doesn't make us better people. The people are still similar to those who lived hundreds and thousands of years ago and they always will be! Socialisation is one thing of course, it gives us a thin modern shape, but beneath that shape we're still exactly like our ancestors! However I'm not saying that our ancestors didn't know how to behave properly, sometimes I think they knew better than we do. (Just look at 18th century gentlemen, they knew how to treat each other! ) Each time has it's own "shape of socialisation" with a different code of morale and ideals. Maybe the shape of our time becomes thinner and thinner, ever thought of that?

[Dracula]

Apart of that I didn't understand your third case -I think you expect too much of humanity .People will never get good ,and they never were .A man is a retarded creature . There is some hope if they get enlightened,but practically nobody cares about it and screws himself .
From my personal experience if a girl says she "find you scaring" it is a veiled way to tell you she doesn't find in you the qualities she needs (or imagines she needs) .Perhaps she wasn't your type after all .You'll come to love naturally with another one .

Nice to meet you Cmdr.Skywalker

[General A. Skywalker]

I think you expect too much of humanity .People will never get good ,and they never were .A man is a retarded creature .

That's exactly what I mean.

And nice to meet you too, Dracula.

[Dracula]

I find it refreshing when you are around .

[General A. Skywalker]

I find it refreshing when you are around .

Thank you, friend. I could say the same to you.


@ Desmotes:
No, you are not wrong and yes, I do experience similar things. Well, maybe not really similar to your mentioned cases (btw, didn't understand case 3 either) but still things that make one think. Every time you see kids giving each other a really hard time, people not respecting the eldery at all (e.g. not offering them a seat in a bus) or serious quarrel between family member because of money... aren't things like that already evidence enough?

[Dracula]

Plus ,if you like Desmotes,there was a reason why the man was expelled from the Eden garden .Not for being nice,for sure .

[Ältester der Motten]

aren't things like that already evidence enough?

They sure point to the theory that man's social eptness has not yet reached the maximum of what is possible, but I don't know if naturally and unavoidably immature children are a good example for the not really exponential development of humanity, since that mostly incorporates the supposedly matured ones (YES, I know children are human, but they naturally are on a comparatively low level of development anyway, so I did not include them).

Also, I might dare assume that not hurrying to give up a seat just because the other one is older than 50 is not really social ineptness, but just the recognition of the fact that age != weakness. I scarcely meet old people who are notably weakened, and respect of age for the mere sake of age is quite unreasonable I say.
And money nowadays is absolutely necessary to survive as part of this society, so it is more a question of how wealthy they are so they may waive the capital, instead of just that they grubble about a capital.

Oh, to come back to the guy with that red-coated being as his avatar (I think it is somehow related to Bowser, right? Or was it Zelda?), this is not really a discussion about how humanity still is definitely a pile of **** (which it is not), it is about how you feel about the (one might argue too high) lack of sociality in humanity as a whole, if you think it overweigths the mass of thoroughly social people (my observations back that up ~90% anyway, and I am a devout and experienced observator, those 4 cases are just very critical and personal examples), it is merely a dialogue of different opinions and therefore it's all handled a bit looser.

I hope you got the washy dung I just wrote, it is relatively late over here.

Also, to Dracula: That example is maybe not the best to be given to a nihilist (or unreligious/non-literal people in general).

[Blau&Gruen]

...humanity (save a few remarkabe examples) still has not been able to ascend to a higher level of sociality than hundreds or thousands of years ago.
In the last few months I personally had to encounter 4 cases of social ineptness that would make you want to shoot yourself, each by itself. And I don't even have that much deep contact to persons a lot, especially conerning I basically dwell in the internet.

The book of Job has some literary value and is as oriental literature often best understood coming from the end. Job gets new wifes, flocks, children and will be richer than ever, - metaphorically spoken. Readers of a story are in an advantage versus the characters involved in a story, of course.

[Ummon]

Because they exist? :wink: