Give each faction an economic center

[the42up]

In a way, BC almost feels like the haves and the have nots. There are the factions that have a strong economy and an overabundance of money and then the rest just struggle.

There is not too much middle ground here.

To give an example- take the abbassid and ottomons. I have played and finished a campaign as both. One was relatively easy and one was a nightmare. Here is a hint, the one that was a nightmare did not have the cash cow that is baghdad.

And when I finally had taken constantinople and defeated the ERE...what happened? The georgians, crusaders, abbassid and egyptians all declared war. I finally got a shot in the arm economically but could not use that money to fuel my cities b/c the AI as a whole decided to attack me rather than each other.

How many wars around me fought between AI- 0 (thats right, its been peace in the middle east with the exception of myself)

How many wars vs the computer and myself- the ONLY WARS. In my game as the turks, I am the ONLY player with enemies.

I really enjoyed my rajput and abbassid campaign, but my ottomon one really left a bad taste in my mouth.

[kabeast]

hey, the ottomans are supposed to be hard. Its kinda boring if all the factions have an economic powerhouse, as well as ahistorical and unrealistic.

[invictus]

I didnt know the ottomans were in the game.... But with that aside. If BC intends to be historical (i claim no knowledge of history), perhaps the turks possessed no grand economic center at the time. -Leon

[Lupu]

As turks you have to be really diplomatic, alliances, break them when you need to, but watch out, as it could make more declare war on you, the diplomacy in BC is by far the best Ive ver seen in M2.
For example I had major probs with the gergians, and then I thought my abbasid allies were going to attack too, but theyr army in my province went upwards attacking the georgians, than after some rounds I got an anti-georgian alliance established between me, ERE, Seljuks, Abbasids and Kypchaks(sp?) I defeated the gergian navy, went up with a full stack on my fleet, besieged and sacked the only georgian port/gold mine city and gave it to the kypchaks, now their economy is totally ruined, it went down nearly straight(not as much as the khwarezmian allover graph went upwards though)
From being a superior, rich nation with good military, winning a war, I changed it into a nearly extinct kingdom, only with diplomacy, its the way to go with the turks, no warring at all fronts or try to blitz ERE.

[anaztazioch]

They allready have (exept Turks).

KoJ with Midterrain and Jerusalem, Tyre, Antioch (AI allways gets it).
Ayubbids with Nile valley, Damascus.
Abbassids with Baghdad.
Sljuks with Ryann (capitol).
ERE with Constantinopole.
Kyphcacks with pillaging everything they find.
Khwarezm with Urganch, Merv and Smaraqand (and Nishapur if you get it).
Ghaznivids with its capitol.
Ghorid with cheap units.
Sidh in Sukkur.
Oman with Indian Sea Trade.
Goergia ???
Makuria with ivory, slaves and gold in Dongola.
Armenia i think is rich enough.
Rajputs with India goodies.

[the42up]

I think I have discovered one of the problems


why dont the turks have mediterranean trader line of buildings?

[Lupu]

Because you have to have a city thats directly linked to the mediterranian ocean, not through the black sea.
It has to be in a coast city, whic has coast to the mediteranian ocean.

[the42up]

yes they dont at the beginning of the game, but they definitely made use of trading throughout the mediterranean historically.


So yeah, why dont turkish coastal provinces get access to mediterranean trade?

[spooksman]

I actually liked it that there are rather significant differences with regards of difficulty amongst the faction, some easier and some way harder. Right now I'm having quite an easy time with the Abbasids yet I am looking forward to a challenging time with the Omanis once my current campaign is over, whom I've heard many painful stories. It makes for a more optional and varied experiences should you so wish it and I don't really like the idea of a similar and balanced gameplay across the board and factions. I'm sure they will tweak the factions that may have it too hard or impossible and those that may be too easy though...

[anaztazioch]

Because you have to have a city thats directly linked to the mediterranian ocean, not through the black sea.
It has to be in a coast city, whic has coast to the mediteranian ocean.

Where is that ?

[Victus Sagrada]

Where is that ?

Don't be an ass.

[Kip]

Don't be an ass.

He's just kidding. Maybe he should have added a icon to make it more clear.

[Evan]

Because you have to have a city thats directly linked to the mediterranian ocean, not through the black sea.
It has to be in a coast city, whic has coast to the mediteranian ocean.

I got it on some cities on the Black Sea with Georgia before though.

[Miraj]

I got it on some cities on the Black Sea with Georgia before though.

Yeah.. whatever.

[Evan]

Yeah.. whatever.

Ok yeah, I was somehow mistaken...

[Miraj]

No, you're right I set black sea ports to have medit trade too. Mostly for ***** and giggles.

[Evan]

aha, I knew it!

[Kip]

Yeah its definitely good to have the Black Sea settlements get trade options too...and who cares if it says "Mediterranean" on it, a lot of those goods would probably end up in the Mediterranean anyway.

[Darkarbiter]

IMO the diplomacy is great... so I recomend campaign hardness being hard... if its vh its your own fault for choosing the imba option. So I doubt you just got war decced by everyone for no reason...

Also... factions aren't equal. Live with it... it makes the game interesting

[John I Tzimisces]

Well the thing is is that all coastal settlements with a port have rather large trade bonuses anyway...I really feel as though the extra trade bonuses should be restricted to the Indian ocean and Mediterranean sea...