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    Default Pisa!

    Edited this post after receiving new info....

    First off, I love this mod, or collection of mods. Thank you so much for producing SS! I was going to mod vanilla M2:TW, but with SS around I see there's no point, so all I did to SS was change the turns to 0.5 years.

    Next off, could I generate any interest with the SS crew to include the following weak factions?...

    Pisans
    Zirids
    Abbasids


    The Republic of Pisa
    This maritime republic was almost as strong as Genoa and Venice, having taken control over Corsica and plotting to widen its influence in Sardinia. They had been known to successfully clash their fleets with those of the Arabs, Normans, and fellow Italians. Just as Genoa and Venice colonized the Mediterranean here and there, aided the Crusaders, and opened trading posts everywhere, so too did Pisa. I think their inclusion would complete the fractured politics of Italy, and height the naval game.

    The Zirids
    This small Arab faction based around Tunis would be a hoot to play, and its inclusion would separate the two big Muslim powers dominating North Africa. The Zirids, as a small maritime power could compete with Sicily and the other Italian powers for the ownership of Sardinia and Corsica (and Balearics). Or it could seek to take the reins of the Muslim world.

    The Abbasids
    The Seljuk Turks and Fatamids dominate the Middle East, yet the Seljuks still allowed some independence to the much-weakened Abbasid Caliphate based in Baghdad. Playing this small faction would be great, allowing the player to restart the old glory days, or at least mix up the politics of the Muslim world.



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    I'm sure many have already thought about and mentioned these factions, but I hope some or all might one day be included.

    Thanks
    Last edited by McCloy; January 28, 2008 at 08:26 PM.

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    Default Re: Cumans, Zirids, Abbasids, Pisans, etc

    Cumans will be in 6.0, there will be no Pisans, but will be Genoesi... And a Kwarezm in place of Abassyds.

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    I just discovered the Suggestions sticky. My bad for making a new thread, but that's great news about the Cumans! They were a very popular modded faction in MTW.

    Kwarezm? Great!

    Milan will be dropped, and replaced with Genoa? If so, that makes much sense.

    I really hope IRELAND is dropped to free a slot, if it already hasn't. To make Ireland a chore to conquer, I'd advise making it quite rebellious.


    Anyway, SS is just looking better and better

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    it's doubt able ireland would be dropped. The land of Ire will stay, it seems :-p


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    I don't think Ireland should be dropped, even tho i was against adding them at first. I am playing as Ireland now, and they are really fun, if you like offensive infantry based factions, definitely give Ireland a try.

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    Default Re: Cumans, Zirids, Abbasids, Pisans, etc

    Ireland is really not worth keeping if another faction and itself come down to a competition

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    I would be fine if Ireland was dropped for a Eastern faction. But not for an European faction, I don't think we need anymore European factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fieldmarshal View Post
    I would be fine if Ireland was dropped for a Eastern faction. But not for an European faction, I don't think we need anymore European factions.
    Agreed!

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    Default Re: Cumans, Zirids, Abbasids, Pisans, etc

    I think 6.0 will be alright with 3 new factions... KK already settled on 2, but then decided to add Genoa, as it won't require too much work, as I've done the descriptions and icons and he managed to paint all the new textures in a blink. =)

    Edit: I would actually like to see a new European faction, but only on Balkans... IMHO they really need Bulgaria or Serbia to limit the expansion of Hungary, Byzantium and Venice.

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    Another Eastern faction, yes! The addition of the Cumans and Kwarezm will be nifty.

    I also agree about the Balkans, though. Venice, Hungary, and the Byzantines tend to snatch this up fast. I think Serbia would be a fine addition. Back in the day when I modded M1TW, I included Serbia as a new faction and it tended to create a balance of power in the region.

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    I'd also like to include anything in the caucasus, to limit the expansion of both Turkey, Cumans and Kievan Rus'... Armenia or Georgia, I'd liked both, but the limits are too much.

    Also, we will have full faction slots after KK takes out Aztecs and inserts Cumans and Khwarezm... We'll need either to merge some factions, or remove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echad View Post
    I'd also like to include anything in the caucasus, to limit the expansion of both Turkey, Cumans and Kievan Rus'... Armenia or Georgia, I'd liked both, but the limits are too much.

    Also, we will have full faction slots after KK takes out Aztecs and inserts Cumans and Khwarezm... We'll need either to merge some factions, or remove.

    Armenia or Georgia would be great. However, in the Early period, many Armenians had already fled to southeast Anatolia (Cilicia) and set up a hardy realm there, did they not? They were staunchly Orthodox, anti-Seljuk, and helped the Crusaders.

    So if the Caucasus needs diversity, it looks like Georgia would be the #1 candidate. Of course, I'd like to see the barbarian areas just north of the Caucasus filled with the big stack remains of the Khazars, Alans, and Eastern (non-playable) Cumans.


    If any faction should go, to make room for another, I'd vote one of the Scandinavians like Norway.

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    I still would rather see Burgundy. In eastern europe its a clash of religions. Its fine as it is there now with novgorod, Kiev, Poland, Hungary, Lithuania and the Teutonic order. Quite a few factions.

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    Default Re: Cumans, Zirids, Abbasids, Pisans, etc

    Ok, we should gather all the desired new factions after 6.0 will be released... Glad with Genoa, waiting for textures. =)

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    Some faction facelifts should also be in order...but yeah, like the sounds of Genoa, Cuman, and Kwhazerm (sp)

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    Default Re: Cumans, Zirids, Abbasids, Pisans, etc

    Georgia. I want Georgia.

    (I know nobody cares what I want)

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    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    Georgia. I want Georgia.

    (I know nobody cares what I want)

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    Cilicia would be good, I meant it, when I said about Armenia... Another sort of Templar-like hard, locked and small faction. Georgia too.

    As on behalf of Vikings, I, and many people here will like to see 'em in Kalmar Union, which means a merging of two, and not removing Norway altogether.

    But, as I said, no more new factions for 6.0, we'll se the balance here and may persuade KK to do something... I just hope he'll transfer the campaign to 1100 and merge the Templar and KoJ first.

    Edit: And I totally agree for facelifts for all the factions.

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    I thought about Georgia because it would stop Turks from going to the steppes and Kypchacks from going down to Turkey. A strong country with heavier armies in Transcaucasia could also slow Mongols down.

    They really would be well-placed on the strategic map.

    Check this out: (wiki)

    Don't you think they are damn interesting faction to play?

    King David IV the Builder and Georgian Reconquista

    The struggle against the Seljuk invaders in Georgia was led by the young King David IV of the Bagrationi royal family, who inherited the throne in 1089 at the age of 16 after the abdication of his father George II Bagrationi. Soon after coming to power, David created the regular army and peasant militia in order to be able to resist Seljuk colonization of his country. The First Crusade (1096-1099) and the Crusaders’ offensive against Seljuk Turks in Anatolia and Syria favored David’s successful campaigns in Georgia. By the end of 1099 David had stopped paying tribute to the Seljuks and had liberated most of the Georgian lands, with the exception of Tbilisi and Hereti. In 1103 he reorganized the Georgian Orthodox Church and closely linked it with the state by appointing as Catholicos (Arch-Bishop) a Crown Chancellor (Mtsihnobart Ukhutsesi) of Georgia. In 1103–1105 the Georgian army took over Hereti and made successful raids into still Seljuk-controlled Shirvan. Between 1110 and 1118 David took Lori, Samshvilde, Rustavi and other fortresses of lower Kartli and Tashiri, thus turning Tbilisi into an isolated Seljuk enclave.

    In 1118-1119, having considerable amounts of free, unsettled land as a result of the withdrawal of Turkish nomads, and desperately needing qualified manpower for the army, King David invited some 40,000 Kipchak warriors from North Caucasus to settle in Georgia with their families. In 1120 the ruler of Alania recognized himself as King David’s vassal and afterwards sent thousands of Alans (allegedly modern day Ossetians) to cross the main Caucasus range into Georgia, where they settled in Kartli. The Georgian Royal army also welcomed mercenaries from Germany, Italy, and Scandinavia (all those westerners were defined in Georgia as “the Franks”) as well as from Kievan Rus.

    In 1121, the Seljuk Sultan Mahmud declared Jihad on Georgia and sent a strong army under one of his famous generals Ilghazi to fight the Georgians. Although significantly outnumbered by the Turks, the Georgians managed to defeat the invaders at the Battle of Didgori, and in 1122 they took over Tbilisi, making it Georgia’s capital. Three years later the Georgians conquered Shirvan. As a result, the mostly Christian-populated Ghishi-Kabala area in western Shirvan (a relic of the once prosperous Albanian Kingdom) was annexed by Georgia while the rest of already Islamicized Shirvan became Georgia’s client-state. In the same year a large portion of Armenia was liberated by David’s troops and fell into Georgian hands as well. Thus in 1124 David also became the King of Armenians, incorporating Northern Armenia into the lands of the Georgian Crown. In 1125 King David died, leaving Georgia with the status of a strong regional power. In Georgia, King David is called Agmashenebeli (English: the builder).

    David Agmashenebeli’s successors (Kings Demeter I, David V and George III) continued the policy of Georgia’s expansion by subordinating most of the mountain clans and tribes of North Caucasia and further securing Georgian positions in Shirvan. However, the most glorious sovereign of Georgia of that period was definitely Queen Tamar (David’s great-granddaughter).
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    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    I thought about Georgia because it would stop Turks from going to the steppes and Kypchacks from going down to Turkey.
    Yes, same thing with me, I just forgot, that Kingdom of Cilician Armenia was actually to the much south... Now in the game, the caucasus region is a gift to Turks and Kievan Rus', depending on who will take it first.

    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    A strong country with heavier armies in Transcaucasia could also slow Mongols down.

    They really would be well-placed on the strategic map.
    Totally agreed.

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