Crashes and how to fix them

**Gigantus** · February 04, 2018, 05:39 AM

He is playing vanilla, that shouldn't impact. He might get a slow down at some of the Russian forests (large area of animated trees) but shouldn't get a crash.

OK, this might sound silly: update your sound drivers - for some esoteric reason outdated sound drivers have an effect on M2TW's graphic processing. Won't hurt to update the graphic drivers as well and still do the administrator permissions for the medieval2.exe.

What graphic card are you using?
What is your processor speed?

**timkoul** · February 05, 2018, 03:40 AM

Graphics card is NVIDIA GeForce GTX280M.
I will send you the processor this evening when I get home

**Gigantus** · February 05, 2018, 03:56 AM

Video Card is fine.

**~~removeduser_283648273423~~** · April 10, 2018, 04:01 PM

Ok, can someone help me with this, I've made like this new traits and I've added them to EB personally, but whenever I try to play a campaign (Romans), the game immediately crashes to desktop. Even if I keep just 1 trait, it still crashes, here are the details of the trait:

;------------------------------------------
Trait LeadershipI
Characters family
NoGoingBackLevel 3
ExcludeCultures carthaginian, eastern, egyptian, greek, nomad, barbarian
AntiTraits PathologicalLiar, BadPoet, NonAuthoritarian, Authoritarian, HarshRuler, HarshJustice, LenientJustice, Unjust, LaxPersonalSecurity, BoringSpeaker, BadDisciplinarian, Arse, Bloodthirsty, Haemophobic, GloriousFool, BadInfantryGeneral, BadCavalryGeneral, Lewd, Perverted, Embezzler, Corrupt

Level Newborn_Commander
Description Newborn_Commander_desc
EffectsDescription Newborn_Commander_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Influence 1
Effect Law 1
Effect TroopMorale 1
Effect LineOfSight 2
Effect MovementPoints 2
Effect Command 2
Effect InfantryCommand 2
Effect CavalryCommand 2

Level Veteran_Leader
Description Veteran_Leader_desc
EffectsDescription Veteran_Leader_effects_desc
Threshold 4

Effect Influence 3
Effect Law 3
Effect TroopMorale 4
Effect LineOfSight 4
Effect MovementPoints 4
Effect Command 3
Effect InfantryCommand 3
Effect CavalryCommand 3

Level Revered_Leader
Description Revered_Leader_desc
EffectsDescription Revered_Leader_effects_desc
Threshold 8

Effect Influence 5
Effect Law 5
Effect TroopMorale 6
Effect LineOfSight 6
Effect MovementPoints 6
Effect Command 5
Effect InfantryCommand 5
Effect CavalryCommand 5
Effect TrainingUnits 5
Effect PersonalSecurity 4

~

TRIGGER:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger LeadershipII_ROMANI
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition FatherTrait LeadershipI >= 1
and CultureType roman

Affects LeadershipI Chance 35

VnVs

¬--------------------

{Newborn_Commander} Newborn Commander

{Newborn_Commander_desc}
His mind is still naive and ill-tempered, experience will sharpen it.

{Newborn_Commander_effects_desc}
A fruitful amount of skills.

¬--------------------

{Veteran_Leader} Veteran Leader

{Veteran_Leader_desc}
This man's mind and tongue has become eloquent through the passage of time, his men look up to him.

{Veteran_Leader_effects_desc}
A set of skills sharpened by time.

¬--------------------

{Revered_Leader} Revered Leader

{Revered_Leader_desc}
His men see him as the closest resemblance to the Gods, his mere presence is enough to silence others.

{Revered_Leader_effects_desc}
A wise leader, equipped with the greatest knowledge for the greatest use.

I ALSO INCLUDED THE DETAILS IN VnVs_enums.text.

Can SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THIS? I JUST RECENTLY GOT BACK TO RTW I AND BEFORE I HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MAKING NEW TRAITS, THE GAME JUST WENT FINE, I EVEN DID THOSE IN THE "EXTENDED CULTURES" MOD.

**Gigantus** · April 11, 2018, 02:45 AM

AntiTrait doesn't work in M2TW so you can remove that enormous line. (This is the M2TW workshop)
There is a limit to the effects a trait can have, but I am not sure how many it was.

Recommendation: post his in the Text & Editing workshop in it's own thread. Or the corresponding forum for RTW. (your closing comment suggests you are modding RTW)

**~~removeduser_283648273423~~** · April 11, 2018, 04:44 PM

Oh, ok, thanks for the links and suggestions.

Just to clarify it, I did know about the AntiTrait limit, but I read that with v 1.5 u had a limit a of 20 AntiTraits, and the ones I checked were well below 20.

**xXKageAsashinXx** · September 11, 2018, 08:48 PM

Okay then, second time I've dropped by here with a crash and this one is... something.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I dipped my toe into model swapping and this was my first time going through it. The very first time I tested the mesh out I had actually forgotten to tell the BMDB that and it loaded the original mesh (a 2h swordsman) perfectly fine. As soon as I fixed that oversight, I get the crash specified on the lead post. I've done my own digging to try and avoid making this post, but all I've been able to do is narrow it down to the mesh itself. The textures are fine, the syntax is fine, everything is fine except my new mesh. What is wrong with the mesh, I don't bloody know.
dunedain_spearmen_upg2_lod0.zip
Any thoughts? The pdf from Ishan has a link to a thread about mesh texture mishaps, but that mishap is about messed up textures in-game, not meshes that cause a CTD during the loading screen. Considering the nature of this, I imagine there probably is a thread, somewhere, that has answered this plight already, but I didn't find it with a cursory glance at the thread list.

**Gigantus** · September 12, 2018, 07:00 AM

I am not sure if it's the mesh itself (that's usually a battle crash imo) - rather a format issue in the modelDB, because I am surprised it lists the LOD distance (640) in the message.

**xXKageAsashinXx** · September 12, 2018, 06:33 PM

I probably should've explained that the loading screen I talked about was loading for a custom battle with the unit in question. This mesh was meant to be an armour upgrade for one specific unit, and it is only that particular upgrade that crashes the game. Since this was my first go at model swapping, I planned on testing everything in custom battles just to make sure it works.

However you mentioned formatting. Could you go into a little more detail for me?

**xXKageAsashinXx** · September 12, 2018, 07:20 PM

Okay, I have no idea wtf I went through. I decided to redo the combination just for the heck of it, and now it works beautifully. There was indeed something wrong with my mesh, however what the hell it was, I will probably never find out if someone knowledgeable about the situation doesn't look at my attached document in my original post about this problem, because I overwrote the files when I redid the combination. Thanks for giving my post attention though, Gigantus.

**Gigantus** · September 12, 2018, 08:26 PM

If you can get the attention of paleolegos to look at your model then you might find out - my knowledge of 3D issues is rather limited. Glad to hear that you somehow managed to solve your issue.

**timkoul** · September 26, 2018, 03:58 AM

Hi

Long time no news, but recently I tried again and finally found an solution. So for any other having problems with NVIDIA GTX280:
Download and install 310.90 driver.
Download MSi Afterburner and increase voltage and MHZ for core and memory by 20-25%
Everything works fine now even on maximum resolution and high quality graphics.

**Sacrebleu!** · November 09, 2018, 04:41 PM

Hi fellow experts

I encounter CTD with the Sigh of Empire (M2TW: Kingdoms) mod whenever I order the assassin to sabotage buildings. The game can load the beginning parts of the vanilla sabotage animation (assassin ignite and kicking near a settlement), sabotage video also works fine, but the game crashes when the sabotage video finishes or is closed.

The error log only says:
Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

Please help

**makanyane** · November 10, 2018, 01:48 AM

Hi Sacrebleu! (great name!)

Suggestions - make sure your log is on "level = * trace" in the .cfg - have a look at the preceding dozen or so lines so you can see what it's doing before the crash message.

Load the vanilla game or BareGeomod (with log on trace too) and try the same action with the assassin - note anything that happens after the video (do you get a success/fail message ?)

Quit shortly afterwards and look at the end of the log for that - what happened in the working version after your mod's version crashed.

I'm guessing you might be either missing the text for a message that's meant to appear - or have a problem with a trait/anc that's getting triggered by the assassin mission. (quick way to test if its trait/anc related is to temporarily delete all the triggers from the bottoms of export_descr_character_traits & export_descr_ancillaries EDIT; and for triggers - export_descr_guilds.txt too)

**Sacrebleu!** · November 10, 2018, 09:43 PM

Thanks Makanyane

I followed up with all the tips mentioned above. Here is the log with the trace setting in .cfg

16:31:24.920 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/radar_map_background.tga is missing
16:31:25.713 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/Spy_england.tga.dds is missing
16:31:25.873 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/1648_agent_egypt.tga.dds is missing
16:31:25.953 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/1648_diplomat_egypt.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.335 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_denmark.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.419 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_france.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.454 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_hre.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.487 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_england.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.522 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_poland.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.573 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/princess_russia.tga.dds is missing
16:31:26.606 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/Princess_england.tga.dds is missing
16:31:27.208 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/catholic_priest_england.tga.dds is missing
16:31:35.411 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/textures/navy_chinese.tga.dds is missing
16:31:36.858 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/residences/textures/eu_city_ordnance_cannon2_diffuse.tga.dds is missing
16:31:38.839 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/models_strat/residences/textures/ME_buildings.TGA.dds is missing
16:31:38.966 [system.io] [warning] open: data/models_strat/residences/textures/NE_ship_dock.TGA.dds is missing
16:31:39.303 [system.io] [warning] open: data/terrain/aerial_map/water.tga.dds is missing
16:31:39.391 [system.io] [warning] open: data/terrain/aerial_map/tile_models/alpha_pages/mountain_mask.tga.dds is missing
16:31:39.509 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/terrain/aerial_map/ships/textures/navy_chinese.tga.dds is missing
16:31:39.532 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/americas/data/world/maps/base/water_surface.tga.dds is missing
16:32:27.410 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

The game crashed after loading the sabotage video and the assassin strat_model's animation. It did not load the success / failure message. I have checked all my text entry and everything seems to be correct when compared with vanilla text entries.

I've tested with vanilla assassin model in SOE campaign and it crashed in exactly the same way. But playing vanilla campaign and the assassin sabotage works just fine.

I'm wondering if there are any other files I missed checking?

**Gigantus** · November 11, 2018, 01:42 AM

No indication of a missing message (they are default vanilla anyhow: text\event_strings, not historic_events). My money is on a faulty animation, disable the movie by adding assassination_movies = 0 into your mod's CFG file's [video] section to confirm.

Check if your descr_skeleton has all these lines:

Code:

type		strat_assassin
;(used_by_all_assassins)
scale		0.7
anim		default										data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_basepose.cas										-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_basepose.evt


;;;basic_animations;;;


anim		stand_a_idle								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_idle.cas										-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_idle.evt
anim		idle_1										data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_1.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_1.evt
anim		idle_2										data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_2.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_2.evt
anim		idle_3									   	data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_3.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_lf_idle_3.evt
anim		stand_to_selected							data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_selected.cas
anim		selected									data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_idle_selected.cas
anim		selected_to_stand							data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_unselected.cas
anim		stand_a_to_walk								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_walk.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_walk.evt
anim		walk										data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk.cas												-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk.evt
anim		walk_to_stand_a								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_to_stand_A.cas						-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_to_stand_A.evt
anim		stand_a_to_walk_backward					data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_walk_backward.cas				-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_walk_backward.evt
anim		walk_backward								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_backward.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_backward.evt
anim		walk_backward_to_stand_a					data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_backward_to_stand_A.cas						-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_walk_backward_to_stand_A.evt
anim		die_forward_1								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_forward_1.cas							-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_forward_1.evt
anim		die_backward_1								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_backward_1.cas									-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_backward_1.evt
anim		die_to_back_right_1							data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_backward_1.cas									-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_die_backward_1.evt
anim		stand_a_turn_90_cw_1						data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_cw.cas		-mintd:10	-maxtd:115		-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_cw.evt
anim		stand_a_turn_90_ccw_1						data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_ccw.cas		-mintd:10	-maxtd:115		-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_ccw.evt
anim		stand_a_turn_90_cw_2						data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_cw.cas		-mintd:10	-maxtd:115		-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_cw.evt
anim		stand_a_turn_90_ccw_2						data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_ccw.cas		-mintd:10	-maxtd:115		-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_turn_90_ccw.evt
anim		stand_to_no_mp								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_no_mp.cas						-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_stand_A_to_no_mp.evt
anim		no_mp										data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_no_mp_idle.cas											-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_no_mp_idle.evt
anim		no_mp_to_stand								data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_no_mp_to_stand_A.cas					-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_no_mp_to_stand_A.evt


;;;special_animations;;;


anim		assassinate									data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_assassinate.cas											-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_assassinate.evt
anim		sabotage									data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_sabotage.cas									-evt:data/animations/Stratmap_Assassin/Strat_Assassin_sabotage.evt

**Sacrebleu!** · November 11, 2018, 09:08 PM

Thanks for the tips Gigantus. I've checked all entries in descr_skeleton and pasted vanilla entries over it just for good measure. Have tested it further accordingly. Unfortunately it still CTD with or without the sabotage video. I've re-enabled the movie and recorded the crash in a clip here for analysis:

https://youtu.be/gXg6ZT348EE

Sorry about the video voiceover in the background...I was also listening to a documentary about WWI.

**makanyane** · November 12, 2018, 02:10 AM

I like the voiceover!

Your log example isn't on trace you need
level = * trace
in the .cfg - these are examples of what I get with that;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

not sure how much it'll help - but worth a try - and a good habit to look at that when trying to find cause of crashes.

What happens if you try different sorts of missions with the assassin, e.g. an actual assassination?

**Sacrebleu!** · November 12, 2018, 03:53 AM

Cheers! I think I have now set the .cfg to trace and here is the new error log

22:43:10.201 [system.io] [trace] file open,,mods/americas/data/ui/northern_european/buildings/#northern_european_coaching_house.tga,19388
22:43:10.201 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/americas/data/ui/northern_european/buildings/#northern_european_coaching_house.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:10.242 [system.io] [trace] file open,,mods/americas/data/ui/northern_european/buildings/#northern_european_blacksmith.tga,19388
22:43:10.242 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/americas/data/ui/northern_european/buildings/#northern_european_blacksmith.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:10.278 [system.io] [trace] file open,,mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/mission_sabotage.tga,217308
22:43:10.278 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/mission_sabotage.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.642 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.642 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.642 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX F.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.643 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX F.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.671 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/generic/END TEN E.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.671 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/generic/END TEN E.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.672 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <0201_Message_First_Incoming_Message_Trigger> fired
22:43:13.793 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:13.794 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik]Open
22:43:14.228 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX F.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:14.228 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX F.bik]Open
22:43:14.638 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/fmv/generic/END TEN E.bik (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:14.638 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/generic/END TEN E.bik]Open
22:43:15.474 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik]Pause off
22:43:17.587 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik]Pause on
22:43:17.588 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX M.bik]Pause on
22:43:17.594 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/sabotage/BUR TEX F.bik]Pause on
22:43:17.595 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/generic/END TEN E.bik]Pause on
22:43:24.137 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/americas/data/ui/generic/eventpics/assassin_failed.tga
22:43:24.155 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/assassin_failed.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:24.155 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/assassin_failed.tga.dds
22:43:24.155 [system.io] [info] exists: found mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/assassin_failed.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:24.156 [system.io] [trace] file open,,22A5D2B8,217308
22:43:24.156 [system.io] [info] open: found mods/americas/data/ui/southern_european/eventpics/assassin_failed.tga (from: C:\Program Files (x86)\MTW2)
22:43:24.182 [game.script.trigger] [trace] Trigger <agents13> fired
22:43:24.355 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/faction/qingwin.bik]Pause on
22:43:24.355 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/faction/qingwin.bik]Pause on
22:43:25.119 [system.rpt] [error] Medieval 2: Total War encountered an unspecified error and will now exit.

At the moment the game can perform any other Assassin missions without CTD, only sabotaging buildings bring the game crashing down to desktop.

**makanyane** · November 12, 2018, 04:18 AM

22:43:24.355 [bink] [debug] [mods/americas/data/fmv/faction/qingwin.bik]Pause on

is very strange! I'm not sure why it's even trying to launch another video there - and if that one is named logically it looks like a faction won the game video...

has your mod attempted to add videos to other event messages?

anyway can you find what's calling that file
descr_event_images
descr_movies_tracks.xml
descr_movies.xml
would be my guesses as to where to search.

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Re: Crashes and how to fix them

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