Free ( Greek peoples )

[swhunter]

HELLENIC INFANTRY

1. Hoplite : city hopelite shield/spear,pilos helm ( can the color of tunic be more brown ? or lite brown.

2.Hoplite : med. same armour as this type.
different color for tunic .? spear/shield/attic helm

3.Elite : use one of Mace hoplites.

4 Basilikon peltastai: from tones mace.

5.Allied phalangites: they look like free peoples.

6.Agriranian infantry: this also seems both mace and free peoples looks.



7.Basilikon peltastai: tones mace. since the mace. are expanding the free peoples troops would have a mix of Mace,
Athenian and Corinth troops.

8.Allied phalangites: these might work also. ( tones mace list )

( units should try not to look like mace or Sparta, or Athens. so i am trying to find units that most factions would use. That would be our free peoples.

9.Thureophoroi ( from the seleucudes preview ) could the color and shield be changed ?

10.Thorakitai ( from the same.. ) could the color and shield be changed ?


Missiles

11.Helot Akontistai These can be used since they are helots for messane, and Argos and Corinth for their free peoples. maybe a off red tunics ?
just to tick off the spartans ? ( from the spartan preview )skirmish with the enemy shoot of their akontia javelins

12.Helot Slingers maybe white ? or gray ? ( spartan preview )

13.Hypomeiones peltasts ( from spartan preview )
These could be used with this same model, haveing the pilos helm.
as other free peoples should have this type also.
Since the pilos was the most inexpensive. can keep the same shield except the v being red? tunic a off brown darker?

14 Archers ( take from other archer modles from the macedon.
Horsemen

15.Perioikoi Tarentines ( from spartan preview ) I think these are a good free peoples for their armour which was common and the helm is excellent.

16 Xystophoroi ( from seleucudes preview ) looks greek ,helm can the shield be changed ? And give he colors of Mace. just because of their influence.

17Tarantine Cavalry looks roman and mace. since rome will be advanceing at this time and mace into lower greece.

points to think about. This time period Athens and Corinth and Argos are being obedient to this major power mace.
so they would have trade with them.

[pacco]

You know guys that I started to skining a mounth before I came here and I create my textures for city hoplite in that period, maybe there is some interesting: Sor model

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[tone]

This is encouraging, although difficult to see the precise details. We will be needing to change these to more historical models, but if you fancy taking on some of the Free peoples work (loads and loads to do here - not just Greeks but Eastern and barbs too) and / or helping out with Boii and Belgae then that would be great.

I can supply .psd files so you get to work on the original layers.

Unless you wanted to work on unit cards.

[swhunter]

Good skins Pac.
Just need to change the helms to attic and the armour to fit in the times.

Tone i agree from that other post of yours.
Just use three helms
1. pilos
2 attic
3.Chalidian these three were the most common type.

will we be able to make a few city hoplites in Corinth ? and athens ?
and Argos ? What are your thoughts in that?

[tone]

Good skins Pac.
Just need to change the helms to attic and the armour to fit in the times.

No don't do that - we're using completely different models...

[dvk901]

There is one city hoplite I couldn't pair, the athenian one because it has a unique .cas file. With a common one, we could have an 'Argos Hoplite'. But why 'a few hoplites' in Corinth? They aren't even a swap faction?

[swhunter]

Just was thinking about having a different type of unit in Corinth .just an idea.. you guys know how many fit and where. maybe just one just like Tones old spartan type Corinth hoplites he made months ago.
But without the Corinth helm, and the right type of armour for this time period

[swhunter]

Sorry tone.
I thought if you wanted him to work on the skins he made.
Sounds good!

[cherryfunk]

All I can say is, the more unique Greek city hoplites, the better. And for some really important cities, ones that we intend to make swap factions (Athens, Massilia, Bosporans) have two or three unique units (a hoplite, a thureophorai, etc.) would be great if we have the slots available.

[tone]

All I can say is, the more unique Greek city hoplites, the better. And for some really important cities, ones that we intend to make swap factions (Athens, Massilia, Bosporans) have two or three unique units (a hoplite, a thureophorai, etc.) would be great if we have the slots available.

That would be ideal if we can do it.
Why not use pretty much the all the Greek units other than some very specialised ones?
Can we get away with using some of the Macedonian units like the Agema and so on for the Free peoples in the Macedonian region?
So the ideal thing would be to have the generic archers etc for each free Greek region then have at least 2 or 3 unique units per region if poss.

We have...

1) missile
Akontistai
Slingers
Archers
Peltasts
Hypomenoies = Peltasts with pilos helmet
Thureophoroi
Thorakitai
Thraikan psiloi

2) infantry
Ekdromoi hoplites (pilos)
Light hoplite (see Armenia - attic)
Heavy hoplite (see Spartan metoikoi - thracioattic)
Epilektoi hoplite (Chalkidean helmet, thureos)
Taxeis hoplite (pseudocorinthian helmet)
Pandotaipoi phalangites (phrygian helmet - see seleucids)
Katoikoi phalangites / perioikoi / allied phalangites (thracioattic)
Pezhetairoi model (thracioattic)
Heavy phalangites (like Sparta - large pilos)
Elite phalangites (thracioattic)

Thraikan heavy infantry
Agriranian infantry

3) cavalry
tarantine cav (attic)
aspidophoroi (phrygioboeotian)
prodromoi (phrygian)
light hippeis (boeotian - could equally well be used by faction other than sparta)
xystophoroi (attic)
lonchophoroi (thracioattic)
paiones cav (chalkidean helmet, jav, sicca)
hetairoi?
thureophoroi cavalry


I'm sure there's more!

And don't forget we can potentially get away with using the same unit twice by making a recruitable merc version.

[swhunter]

Yes that sounds good.
Tone i just feel we should just change the helm on some of these free peoples
also ( Greeks ) and that's it. get rid of the Spartan armoured and Corinth one type helms.
And give them open faced helms or attic or that chalcidian type.
and some pilos types and your done. Lets face it, not every thing is going to be Historical to a T!
throw some colors around and lets finish these people easier than the others

what do you think?

[dvk901]

Just make a 'britons' version of a texture, and a 'merc' version'. Then you can have two different versions if you want of any unit. The slaves can just use the 'mercs'....they don't nec. need a texture all their own. I'm mainly concerned about 'thrace' (Free Barbarians) and the Free greeks.

[swhunter]

Thanks Tone.
good list.

[tone]

What we could do with putting a bit of thought into for the free greeks is how to parcel them out to the different areas so you don't end up fighting the same units wherever you are.

We also have some two different hypaspist units - the one used by Seleucids with thracio attic and the Macedonian one with phrygian helmet.

[rory o'kane]

can't we have a free people's hyspaspist? maybe a merc? and what about the ptolemies, don't they get them?

[ETAIPOS]

Thessalians are great for greek factions.

It would be nice to have "regional Thureophoroi" if possible. It would be very nice unit for Achaia (as their hoplite force was poor numbers and quality), Bosporans and also for Aetolia, known for their mobile tactics.

For Bosporans there is one great unit - archer/heavy spearman - something like thorakitai with composite bows (it is the same unit actually as EB Thureopherontes toxotai but I would like to see them with spear! Paullus beat me just few days with that concept)

Hypaspist is quite improbable. On the other hand Peltasts (guard) and Agema are ok as copies appeared in both Beotia nad Achaian league.

[tone]

OK, list updated...

1) missile
Akontistai
Slingers
Archers
Peltasts
Hypomenoies = Peltasts with pilos helmet
Thureophoroi (second thureophoroi slot to allow regional variations if space permits)
Thorakitai
Thraikan psiloi
Bosporan archer (if space permits)

2) infantry
Ekdromoi hoplites (pilos)
Light hoplite (see Armenia - attic)
Heavy hoplite (see Spartan metoikoi - thracioattic)
Epilektoi hoplite (Chalkidean helmet, thureos)
Taxeis hoplite (pseudocorinthian helmet)
Pandotaipoi phalangites (phrygian helmet - see seleucids)
Katoikoi phalangites / perioikoi / allied phalangites (thracioattic)
Pezhetairoi model (thracioattic)
Heavy phalangites (like Sparta - large pilos)
Elite phalangites (thracioattic)
Agema (konos)
Guard peltasts (thracioattic)

Thraikan heavy infantry
Agriranian infantry

3) cavalry
tarantine cav (attic)
aspidophoroi (phrygioboeotian)
prodromoi (phrygian)
light hippeis (boeotian - could equally well be used by faction other than sparta)
xystophoroi (attic)
lonchophoroi (thracioattic)
paiones cav (chalkidean helmet, jav, sicca)
hetairoi?
thureophoroi cavalry
thessalian cavalry

As well as city hoplites...

Now could someone have a go at parcelling some of these out to specific regions? e.g. this unit is recruitable only in the Macedonian, that one only in Athens, etc, etc. And also ideas about shield patterns e.g. Achaean league shields, etc, etc.

[swhunter]

OK, list updated...

1) missile
Akontistai FGP ( Free Greek peoples ) Athens, Mace,Rodes,all Greek states
Slingers FGP All
Archers Crete, Mace,Athens
Peltasts All FGP, Mace
Hypomenoies = Peltasts with pilos helmet ALL FGP, Mace
Thureophoroi (second thureophoroi slot to allow regional variations if space permits) Athens,Crete,Corinth,Argos,
Thorakitai Athens, Argos,Corinth,Crete,Rodes,
Thraikan psiloi Athens,Corinth,Argos,
Bosporan archer (if space permits) Rodes,

2) infantry
Ekdromoi hoplites (pilos) Athens,Corinth,Argos, Mace,Crete,Massne,
Light hoplite (see Armenia - attic) Massne,Athens,Corinth,Rodes,Crete, Argos, All FGP.
Heavy hoplite (see Spartan metoikoi - thracioattic) Athens,Corinth,Argos
Epilektoi hoplite (Chalkidean helmet, thureos) Athens,Corinth,Rodes,Mace,
Taxeis hoplite (pseudocorinthian helmet) Athens,Mace,Corinth,Argos,Crete
Pandotaipoi phalangites (phrygian helmet - see seleucids) Athens, Mace, Rodes
Katoikoi phalangites / perioikoi / allied phalangites (thracioattic) Athens,Corinth,Argos,Rodes,
Pezhetairoi model (thracioattic) Athens, Corinth,Rdoes,
Heavy phalangites (like Sparta - large pilos) Athens,Corinth,Mace,Argos
Elite phalangites (thracioattic) Athens,Corinth,
Agema (konos) Athens,Corinth,
Guard peltasts (thracioattic) Athens, Corinth,

Thraikan heavy infantry Athens,Corinth,Mace
Agriranian infantry Athens,Corinth,Rodes,

3) cavalry
tarantine cav (attic) Athens,mace,FGP
aspidophoroi (phrygioboeotian) FGP
prodromoi (phrygian) FGP
light hippeis (boeotian - could equally well be used by faction other than sparta) Athens,Mace,Corinth,Argos,
xystophoroi (attic) Athens , Mace, Corinth,
lonchophoroi (thracioattic) Athens,Mace, Corinth,
paiones cav (chalkidean helmet, jav, sicca)
hetairoi?
thureophoroi cavalry Athens,Corinth,
thessalian cavalry Athens,Corinth,

As well as city hoplites... (

Now could someone have a go at parcelling some of these out to specific regions? e.g. this unit is recruitable only in the Macedonian, that one only in Athens, etc, etc. And also ideas about shield patterns e.g. Achaean league shields, etc, etc.

update later...
open for suggestions...... Going by location and what i and Kera studied these months.

[swhunter]

You mean pick by random ? Pick by choice where they should go ?
I can take a stab at it.
And what shields have you in mind?
the same ones they have yet different design ?

[swhunter]

look at these designs on these shields..


these also.

I suggest for Athens the gorgon ( head with snakes is their shield.
others from the snake to these different symbols.