hoplites how are they going to work?

[jo the greek]

are u going to use the shieldwall ability ? i think it can work very good because from what i have seen in others modes it is very offensive formation.

[the42up]

wouldnt they have spear wall?

[jo the greek]

haven yu seen how it is in eb 1?

[the42up]

haven yu seen how it is in eb 1?

enlighten me

[jo the greek]

they use stand ground to make them tough not spearwall.after all hoplites were a shielwall .

[TWoxy]

When you use the shieldwall ability in M2TW, the soldiers in the units tend to gravitate away from one another and have to keep shuffling back into position. Also, I don't think confers the same benefits it did in Barbarian Invasion.

[Hellenes]

I dont know about Kingdoms but in BI the shieldwall represents phalanx in a much better way than RTW 1.5 EB1....

[Pyrebound]

Spearwall is not even near to phalanx - it also sucks. You have to constantly micro them so they dont use their sucky sword while fighting. Also, when you put them on defensive formation its definately not phalanx.

[GiorgioIII]

Spearwall is not even near to phalanx - it also sucks. You have to constantly micro them so they dont use their sucky sword while fighting. Also, when you put them on defensive formation its definately not phalanx.

If set in export_descr_unit as secondary weapon a sword (or anything else) then it is activated when you press alt+attack

[Korinthos Hoplites]

When you use the shieldwall ability in M2TW, the soldiers in the units tend to gravitate away from one another and have to keep shuffling back into position.

That also happened in BI.

[Watchman]

The BI "shieldwall" thingy is a little weird on how the unit moves around though - when they charge it's like the two first rows or so dash off, and the rest follow slowly behind. Not exactly the "human battering ram" contemporary accounts make hoplite phalanx charges sound like... :hmmm:

More importantly, however, it has some ill-known stat effects. Which means that if you are to keep the unit balanced you need to modify the stats accordingly - and more likely than not the unit is then going to end up rather weak when not in the special formations...

[Pyrebound]

Ehh, did phalanxes actually CHARGE??

I cannot imagine a tight pack of soldiers with a 3m long spear RUNNING while still staying in formation, and still not killing each other with their spears.

I hope you meant that they simply attacked, walked towards until they made contact with the enemy. Then itll make sense to me :b

[Admetos]

You have to constantly micro them so they dont use their sucky sword while fighting.

Not in EB.

And the shieldwall ability is the closest thing you're going to get to a classical hoplite phalanx.

[Admetos]

Yes. They actually charged.

[Watchman]

I fail to see what's difficult to believe about that. Renaissance pikemen, or the Swiss at least, charged at the run with six-meter spears... and they operated in way bigger blocks than the hoplites too.

[Lysimachos]

If i remember correctly the macedonian phalanx attacked in double quick, assisted by pipers to stay in lockstep.

[Hax]

Pipers?

As in bagpipers?

[Lysimachos]

Pipers?

As in bagpipers?

I mean flutists, that was an error in translation

[neoptolemos]

The Flutists were part in every Ancient Greek army,especially since the phalanx took place as a formation(there is pottery icons represented them..)

[Lysimachos]

The Flutists were part in every Ancient Greek army,especially since the phalanx took place as a formation(there is pottery icons represented them..)

Well, i only remembered the macedonians, but of course you are right.