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    The AI of total war ought to be improved
    1. I am a fan of rome total war . I think the huge and grand battle scale of total war is the best in all PC games about warfare .But the worst aspect of total war is its battle AI , stratagem AI and diplomacy AI .For example , In the battlefield of rome total war , the AI is too simple . when your archers fire to the computer's troops , the computer's troops will stay on their original positions and make no any response. When you use your onager to attack the computer's troops in the city , the computer's troops can escape from the city- gate for a while ,but soon they return to the gate and continue to suffer from your attack . The computer can't outflank your soldiers and steer clear of your troops to their back ,then from the back attack your troops .The computer can not collect several troops then attack you from several ways at the same time .In the retreat , the computer's troops all escape confusedly in disregard of their comrade in arms. I think that in the retreat ,AI ought to counteract man's attack and chasing by several troops , in order to secure the most of troops' retreat ,but in fact , AI can not do these at all .
    2. On the stratagem and diplomacy ,AI is also extremely simple. In rome total war , AI can ally with you this year, but in the next year AI will attack you. AI can post ceasefire to you just now ,but one minute later AI will invade you. In total war, the alliance between two countries is too flimsy and childish. Your AI ally can neither cooperate with you to attack your enemy, and nor resist aggression from great power countries together with you, of course, AI ally never supplies any economic resource with you. AI can not correctly estimate the posture and who is stronger on military power, and AI also can not rightly deal with the relationship with you.For example, your military power is much stronger than AI,but AI can invade you all the while,which is illogical. When you attack AI and are close to conquer it, AI always lets its diplomat tell you AI wants to extort some money and cities from you ,if you refuse its idiotic demand AI will attack you. Oh,what idiotic diplomacy!!!!! You are close to conquer AI nation and AI has only a few cities and troops, but it wants to extort some money and cities from you!!! What a idiotic logic!!!At that time AI ought to surrender itself to you,who are more stronger on military power.AI ought to pay money and cities to you for its losing the bell. All in all, in total war AI is not only greedy, but also idiotic.
    3. In total war, there is only undying battle in the game .The game seriously lacks of stratagem,management and diplomacy etc. We can not use diplomacy and religion to conquer or change some countries in the game. We can not gain a loyal ally nation. We can not resist aggression from great power nation together with our AI ally nation. On these aspects, total war can learn much from the famous "Civilization" made by Sid Meier.
    4. Actually,total war's huge and grand battle scale is its great merit,which attracts us deeply all the time. We all hope the coming Empire-total war will have better stratagem,management and diplomacy etc. Furthermore, most fans of total war more like the rome era than Medieval era and modern times, because the rome era is always a classical era which contains many old , famous civilizations, such as Carthage, Gaul, Seleucid,Parthia,Hannibal,Caesar,Cleopatra and so on. Most fans all hope the Creative Assemly to make new version of rome,which can be named rome total war 2.

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Needs to be written in separate paragraphs, and should be in the RTW General Discussion.

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Unfortunately there's a simple answer to all of your points:

    the AI is hard-coded...

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    This has been posted in numerous threads on this forum. It's also been posted in the RTR VII The Iberian Conflict forum (closed by me now).

    Can a moderator close this thread?

    This seems to be the agreed thing to do with this. Especially as the original poster has now been banned.

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Quote Originally Posted by Brusilov View Post
    This has been posted in numerous threads on this forum. It's also been posted in the RTR VII The Iberian Conflict forum (closed by me now).

    Can a moderator close this thread?

    This seems to be the agreed thing to do with this. Especially as the original poster has now been banned.
    Why?

    If there's enough outcry about it maybe it will get some attention. People have been complaining about this for a long time, yet CA still made another game with retarded AI(Medieval: Total War)...

    At some point maybe a high level manager will send an email to the Diplomacy Division(or however it's organized) and ask the simple question, "WTF are you guys/gals doing over there!?"

    Unfortunately there's a simple answer to all of your points:

    the AI is hard-coded...
    I think the underlying question is: why? Why is the AI so bad? Why when so many aspects of the game are great the AI is so bad? The word total means comprehensive doesn't it? So why in a series called "Total" War is such an important aspect of war so dysfunctional? Especially in a game affiliated with Rome!? It's a well known fact, among those who've read even a smattering about Rome, that their[Rome] tactics were to use the slightest...provocation(Illyrian queen was rude to a diplomat...oh well, let's go to war) to instigate military action. Yet there is NO way to represent this in the game!

    Besides, isn't the customer always right?
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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    The thread should be moved but I don't think closed unless there's a 100 other threads like in that area.

    As for CA changing the AI it did improve a little in MTW II. Keyword being little. Could be it improved more? A big yes.

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Quote Originally Posted by morteduzionism View Post

    Besides, isn't the customer always right?
    No they are not. They need to be treated with politeness though.....

    You need to realize in the modern world it's all about money. You make money by making a game popular to play not always realistic.

    The problem was the poster submitted the thread in so may forums. As I pointed out it's in the RTR VII TIC forum as well.

    If the poster suggested that everyone contact CA then that may have been different.

    It's only a game and not real life.

    I can't imagine how hard it is to get the AI right in a game such as this. Can anyone suggest a similar game (strategy and battle) that addresses this correctly?

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Why would he post this in several mod forums? It doesn't make sense. His post was hard to read.

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    Default Re: The AI of total war ought to be improved

    Quote Originally Posted by reclaimer View Post
    Why would he post this in several mod forums? It doesn't make sense. His post was hard to read.
    I think the poster had some sort of agenda. It didn't take long for them to be banned.

    I've read elsewhere the person posted this in at least 10 different parts of the forum. I guess the way to check is to see the user posts by clicking on their ID.

    It was difficult to read (I've tried to read worse in shorter posts by posters in English language countries). I think someone did point out that they should have broken it into paragraphs.

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