Need some precise help in making an alteration

[Jekyll]

Hi,

First off I love this mod, but I would like to do away with the puffs of blood as its too much for my tastes, I have downloaded burreks blood but the puffs of blood still remain and although I know that if I want to reduce the puffs or get rid altogether I have to edit the descr_effect_impacts file.

Only problem is that I have tried changing values any old how, as I don't know precisely what value I have to change, I read somewhere that its the particles I have to edit but what exact part is it?

Its my first attempt at editing and I have no idea what I should be doing, hence asking here, I have posted in the text editing forum and searched everywhere for the answer and no joy, so please can anyone shed some much needed light please

Jekyll

[Harry Lime]

First off I've never done this so BACK-UP your original file.

Open the descr_effect_impacts file & look for this section...

effect explosive_cloud_blood_small
{
	type explosion
	{
		; main explosion
		;clr_adjust_by_ambient_intensity 
		model 					models_effects/explosive_cloud_blood.CAS
		sort_for_speed
		anim_time				5
		max_scale   			5.0
		max_particle_scale 		3.5
		scale_time_bias			0.9
		alpha_time_bias			0.95

		; debris
        debris_model             models_effects/blood_droplet.CAS
        debris_num_particles     25
        debris_lifetime_range    14, 8
        debris_emit_angle        45               ; degrees
        debris_time_bias         0.97
        debris_velocity_range    1.5, 3.5
        debris_scale_range       1.0, 2.8
	}
}

effect explosive_cloud_blood_tiny
{
	type explosion
	{
		; main explosion
		;clr_adjust_by_ambient_intensity 
		model 					models_effects/explosive_cloud_blood.CAS
		sort_for_speed
		anim_time				2.2
		max_scale   			3.5
		max_particle_scale 		2.5
		scale_time_bias			0.9
		alpha_time_bias			0.95

		; debris
        debris_model             models_effects/blood_droplet.CAS
        debris_num_particles     45
        debris_lifetime_range    8, 4
        debris_emit_angle        45               ; degrees
        debris_time_bias         0.97
        debris_velocity_range    1.5, 3.5
        debris_scale_range       0.5, 1.0
	}
}

I've outlined in red the part you have to edit (I think.. ), try a smaller number & see what happens.

Good luck.

[Jekyll]

Thank you Harry Lime,

I am sorry to say that I think I tried those values purely by accident and it made no change whatsoever, I'll try again though to make certain and then post back if no change, thanks for your time

Jekyll

[Harry Lime]

Perhaps it's the debris_num_particles line you need to change to a lower number but I'm pretty certain the answer lies in that section of the file.

[Jekyll]

Hmmm,

I'm having real trouble now as I made the alterations and now the game won't run, just a small box saying Medieval suffered a fatal error and will now shutdown with CA LIBS at the top left of the box.

I had everything backed up though but will need to redo this, and it will take me some time to sort it, I have three installs and I don't know what the problem is, maybe its having three installs? I have Vista and maybe its Vistas fault, I hope not

I'll come back when I eventually get to try it

Jekyll

[Jekyll]

Well I have got it going again only to find that there is no change to the blood puffs, I even tried lowering the debris_num_particles and all to no effect.

There has to be a way to alter this surely :hmmm:

Anyone else got any ideas apart from Harry Lime

Jekyll

[Jekyll]

Not to worry my mistake, I was doing the editing of the file in the original games data folder, and not in the dlv_ext data folder, (I thought there was no need to do this) but as always I must have been reading wrong from other posts, anyway, I just copied my edited file into the dlv_ext data folder to overwrite the file in there and hey presto it now works with the effects of my choice

Many thanks for your help Harry Lime and sorry to have appeared to have wasted your time

Jekyll

[Harry Lime]

Glad to hear it's working for you Jekyll...

Was it the max_particle_scale or the debris_num_particles that had the desired effect?

[Jekyll]

Well to be honest I don't think it was either, stupidly last night I had made several changes all at once, a cardinal sin I know as I should have tested each change individually, but I did'nt, so I can't really give a concrete answer.

That said, my PC has been weird in its reactions to installing these mods, whether its Vista I have no idea, but I tried to re-enact the problem this morning and each time I try to install say Skymod, which has the extreme blood included, I end up seeing the blood how I want to see it, so installing another blood mod does'nt seem to register with the game and it ends up using the blood effect last installed.........I would if I was confident enough, restart over and uninstll everything and go back to the beginning, and I guess I should do that as I owe anyone else with this problem a solid answer.

I feel a complete fool

Jekyll

[Jekyll]

Well after all I have done things are still odd, now the problem is that I have the blood I want perfect in Custom Battles, but that bloods effect is not the same in the Campaign :hmmm:I am puzzled, anyone any ideas whats going on? and what I may have done wrong and what I should do?

Jekyll

[Harry Lime]

:hmmm: That's odd. The only thing I can suggest is to try deleting all the txt.string files in DLV_ext\data\text and the map.rwm file in DLV_ext\data\world\maps\base.

I'm not very hopeful that this will work but whenever I make changes I always delete these to erase any old information.

[Jekyll]

I found this thread, is this the one not to bother with? a shame as I really would like to use the droplet type one

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=Blood&page=3

[Harry Lime]

I think you'll be O.K using just the blood effect files. It's the rest of it that's bugged.

[Jekyll]

Ok I'll get onto this a bit tonight and then tomorrow as it takes so long to do

I take it then that its best to install that mod to a safe place and then just copy and paste the files over, hopefully this time no problems, I have already uninstalled the other two installs and now for DLV and then start over

Thank you for all your time Harry Lime

Jekyll (no doubt you have'nt heard the last of me)

[Harry Lime]

I take it then that its best to install that mod to a safe place and then just copy and paste the files over

Yes but back-up the originals first.

Jekyll (no doubt you have'nt heard the last of me)

Just as long as Mr. Hyde doesn't make an appearance we're good..

[Jekyll]

I will back-up first no problem

Well he does'nt appear on the Net so thats good, sadly he does in the real world....and when people annoy him, he's hard to keep in check and when trouble starts he leaves me to clear up the mess.......charming!!!

Jekyll (Thank you again for your time and help)

[Jekyll]

This is so weird.........I have now only got DLV installed and the blood mod that I want, and yet it works fine in the Custom Battles and not in the Campaign, so is there another file I need to maybe adjust or what is wrong? I am desperate to play a Campaign, but I won't do until this is sorted out, I just really do not know what else to do :hmmm:

Just as an afterthought, should I unpack Kingdoms, (each of the Campaigns?, not that that will make a difference, but I am just wondering whether I need to copy the descr_effects_Impacts modded file to each of the Kingdoms Campaigns, does'nt sound right to me though, but I am really at my last ideas as to sort this, of course I would back-up any files I change but I am very weary of doing this.

Jekyll

[Harry Lime]

No unpacking the Kingdoms mods would make no difference.

The only thing I can think of is to copy the changes you've made over to the main M2TW data folder & place in the respective folders (very important you back up the original files!!!!).

So you have your modified files in DLV & the vanilla M2TW data folders.

[Jekyll]

Good Evening Harry

Here we are again, another evening of problem soving, I was hoping to have been able to have played this evening instead of still having this issue ongoing anyway that said, I'll do as you say and see if that works

Many thanks

Jekyll

[Jekyll]

Ok I did what you said and its still the same, all I see is a fine small red mist as the units are hot by the arrows, and not any droplets that show up in the Custom Battles..........I still refuse to give up but where to now? if only I knew how to mod properly and had the patience to learn, but for other reasons I won't go into here, I can't

I just don't get this at all

Jekyll :hmmm: