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    Without the ability to fully love or be fully loved, so many of us think that the acquisition of money can bring self-esteem and happiness. I’ve enjoyed friendship with some exceedingly wealthy people. If money brought happiness, then each of them should be ecstatically happy. But I doubt whether any of them is any happier than any of my less well-to-do friends. Money, it seems, attracts more envy than empathy. More lust than love.

    In 1932 the practice of psychiatry was little known or respected. The public seemed to regard it, just as I probably did, with skepticism. For years I absurdly treated subjects with which I was unfamiliar, or sports in which I was not proficient, or books which I should have read but didn’t, with disdain. But by 1956, lacking the foundation of early spiritual training and suspecting that there was more happiness available than I seemed able to grasp, I had grown much more tolerant of, and receptive to, the knowledge of others. Other searchers, other sharers. Humanitarians in all fields of endeavor. At the age of 53, after three unsuccessful marriages, either something was wrong with me or, obviously, with the whole sociological and moralistic concepts of our civilization.

    Now, I believe in caring for my health; and I trust you do too. Physical health is a product of, and dependent upon, mental health — one nurtures and nourishes the other. And so, together with a group of other interested Californians — doctors, writers, scientists and artists — and the encouragement of Betsy, who was interested herself, I underwent a series of controlled experiments with Lysergic Acid, a hallucinogenic chemical or drug known as LSD 25. Experiment is perhaps a misleading word; to most people it signifies patronization and objectivity. For my part I anxiously awaited their personal benefits that could be derived from the experiences, and was quite willing to be less than objective. Any man who experiments with something that cannot benefit himself, or add to his happiness, and that of his fellow man in turn, is a fool and a menace to society. I’ve heard that a man here and there died during LSD25 sessions; but then I’ve heard that men died during poker games and while watching horse racing; but that didn’t seem to stop such occupations. Those men might have died anywhere while doing anything. Men have also died testing airplanes and parachutes, vaccines and common cold cures. In attempting to traverse the next step into progress and knowledge, men have always died. But there is a difference between the man who knows what he’s about with a high-powered airplane, and an idiot who puts wings on a bicycle and takes off from the edge of Niagra Falls.

    LSD 25 is a psychic energizer and the exact opposite in reaction to the addictive drugs and opiates. Indeed, Seconal, or similar sedative, is usually given as an antidote, to quell and offset the effects of LSD 25, if necessary. The action of the chemical releases the subconscious so that it becomes apparent to yourself. So that you can see what transpires in the depth of you mind — and what goes on there you wouldn’t believe, ladies and gentlemen — and learn which misconceptions, guilts and fears, with their resultant repressions, inhibitions and insecurities, have formed the pattern for your past behavior. A successively recurring pattern since childhood.

    The feeling is that of an unmarshaling of the thoughts as you’ve customarily associated them. The lessening of conscious control, similar to the mental process which takes place when we dream. For example, when you’re asleep and your mind no longer concerned with matters and activities of the day, your subconscious often brings itself to your attention by dreaming. With conscious controls relaxed, those thoughts buried deep inside begin to come to the surface in the form of dreams. These dreams, since they appear to us in symbolic guise, are fantasies and, if you will accept the reasoning, could be classified as hallucinations. Such fantasies, or hallucinations, are inside every one of us, waiting to be released, aired and understood. Dreams are really the emotions that we find ourselves reluctant to examine, think about, or meditate upon, while conscious.

    Under the effect of LSD 25, these dreams or hallucinations, if you wish, are speeded up, and interpreted, when properly conducted ba a psychiatrically orientated doctor who sits quietly by, awaiting whatever communication one cares to make — the revealing of a hidden memory seen again from an older, more mature viewpoint, or the dawning of new enlightenment. Then, if the doctor is as skilled as mine was, he carefully proffers a word or key, that can lead to the next release, the next step toward fuller understanding.

    The shock of each revelation brings with it an anguish of sadness for what was not known before in the wasted years of ignorance and, at the same time, an ecstasy of joy at being freed from the shackles of such ignorance.

    One becomes a battleground of old and new beliefs. Of nightmares beyond description. I passed through changing seas of horrifying and happy sights, through a montage of intense hate and love, a mosaic of past impressions assembling and reassembling; through terrifying depths of dark despair replaced by glorious heavenlike religious symbolisms. Session after session. Week after week.

    I learned may things in the quiet of that small room. I learned to accept the responsibility for my own actions, and to blame myself and no one else for circumstances of my own creating. I learned that no one else was keeping me unhappy but me; that I could whip myself better than any other guy in the joint.

    I learned that all clichés prove true; which is, of course, the reason for their repetition, even when the meaning has been forgotten by the constant usage.

    I learned that everything is, or becomes, its own opposite. A theory I can sometimes apply, but would find difficult to convey.

    I learned that my dear parents, products of their parents, could know no better than they knew, and began to remember them only ofr the most useful, the best, the wisest of their teachings. They gave me my life and body, the promising combination of the two, and my initial strength; they endowed me with an inquisitive mind. They taught me to feed myself, to walk, to bathe myself and to clothe myself; and I shall think of them always with love now, not only for what the did know but, even, for what the didn’t know.

    For a slow learner, I learned a great deal — and the result of it all was rebirth. A new assessment of life and myself in it. An immeasurably beneficial cleansing of so many needless fears and guilts, and a release of the tensions that had been the result of them. Not a cleansing and release of them all, certainly, for that would be the absolute — the innocence of the newly born baby with an unformed ego still close to God — and I cannot experience the absolute until I have unreservedly returned to the comfort of God.

    In life there is no end to getting well. Perhaps death itself is the end to getting well. Or, if you prefer to think as I do, the beginning of being well.

    I have heard and now believe it to be so, that drowning men in the last seconds of life relive the whole of it again; probably in order to cleanse themselves before meeting the great Maker, just as our religions instruct; and everyone is accustomed to the phenomenon of elderly people remembering their childhood with extraordinary clarity, yet forgetting what went on only yesterday. We call it second childhood, but it is undoubtedly the same process, undergone at a slower pace, as that experienced by the drowning man.

    LSD 25 is no longer obtainable in America. Orthodox psychiatrists using the slower customary methods resisted its usage, and it’s unlikely that it will be reintroduced unless some brave, venturesome and respected psychiatrist publicly speaks out in its favor. Meanwhile, the authorities have banned its use; at least for therapeutic purpose. Although how men can be authorities on something they’ve never tried mystifies me. However, in the hands o f thrill-seekers it could, like whiskey and the automobile, be exceedingly dangerous. I suppose all new methods, new theories, new inventions go through the filter of trial and error, acceptance and rejection. Past the inevitable parade of scoffers and stone-throwers.

    Yes, it takes a long time for happiness to break through either to the individual or nations. It will take just as long as people themselves continue to confound it. You’ll find that nowadays they put you away for singing and dancing in the street. “Here now, let’s have none of that happiness, my boy. You cut that out; waking up the neighbors!” “Those darn neighbors need waking up, I can tell you, constable!”

    I suppose if a healthy youngster walked along a street in a bathing suit to allow his or her youthful pores a little more oxygen from the meager amount obtainable in our smog-infested cities, he or she would be arrested. “Here now, none of that trying to keep a healthy body in this city. Go to the beach!” “In which direction , officer? This is Kansas City.” Even bare feet and a rare acquaintance with the earth beneath them would be sufficient to disassociate you from the association of your embarrassed associates. Civilization! Oh, brother! And you, too, sister!

    I have made over 60 pictures and lived in Hollywood for more than 30 years. Thirty years spent in the stimulating company of hard-working, excitable, dedicated, loving, serious, honest, good people. Casts and crews. I recognize and respect them. I know their faults and their insecurities. I hope they know and forgive mine. Thirty years ago my hair was black and wavy. Today it’s gray and bristly. But today people in cars, stopped alongside me at a traffic light, smile at me!

    I feel fine. Alone. But fine. My mother is quite elderly. My wives have divorced me, and I await a woman with the best qualities of each. I will endow her with those qualities because they will be in my own point of view.

    As a philosopher once said, “You cannot judge the day until the night.” Since it is for me evening, or at least teatime, I can now look back and assess the day. It’s been a glorious adventure up to here — even the saddest parts — and I look forward to seeing the rest of the film. Just as I did in 1932 when I sat in that Paramount Studio office. I took up the pen and wrote for the first time “Cary Grant.” And that’s who, it seems, I am. Well, as some profound fellow said, “I’d be a nut to go through all that again, but I wouldn’t have missed it for anything.” And that goes for this autobiography.
    http://www.carygrant.net/autobiograp...phy14.html#lsd

    Some great writing there.
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    what was cary grants biggest movie? so that I can imagine him rabidly high and beaming on the set, and coking it up with his buddies

    but seriously I never knew cary grant used a bunch of acid.

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    It's been said that mescaline is the champagne of psychedelics, but I'd vote for LSD over mescaline anyday of the week.


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    Wow a good story.
    Might have to try acid for myself.
    Someday perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebdeas View Post
    Wow a good story.
    Might have to try acid for myself.
    Someday perhaps.
    Does your family, immediate and extended, have any history of mental illness?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Juno View Post
    Does your family, immediate and extended, have any history of mental illness?
    None whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebdeas View Post
    None whatsoever.
    Then what you do or take is none of my responsibility.

    Enjoy.

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    Default Re: Thoughts on LSD by Cary Grant

    Would it be the same thing if one would use mushrooms instead of LSD ( in order to get in touch with his inner self of course)?

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    The differences between psilocybin mushroom and LSD experiences are only in the drugs themselves and time differences.

    LSD is usually available in blotter form, while mushrooms are, well, mushrooms.

    The effects of LSD last for ten to twelve hours, while mushrooms are four to six.

    Some people claim that certain, shall we say, brands, of LSD give different "experiences." Such as one product giving a head-trip, another a body-trip, and so on. It's safe to say you can disregard everything else these people have to say when it comes to psychedelics.

    Again, I do not condone drug use, but please do your research. Many would point to Erowid.org for a starter, but it seems that you can argue two sides with the information they give, none-the-less, it is a good starter.


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    salvia is a legal option as well as mushrooms, i havent tried it but mushrooms are great. aparently salvia is the most controllable as it lasts for only 30-45 mins, where acid and mushies last a full 12 hours. believe me thats a long long time. oh you get 6 up then 6 down approximately. don’t have sex - at least not on the down.

    if anyone does try these things have a friend with you [who isn’t hi]. get them to tell you about strange planets/lands/realms or whatever, the mind is very suggestive and you can see what is said to some degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    salvia is a legal option as well as mushrooms, i havent tried it but mushrooms are great. aparently salvia is the most controllable as it lasts for only 30-45 mins, where acid and mushies last a full 12 hours. believe me thats a long long time. oh you get 6 up then 6 down approximately. don’t have sex - at least not on the down.
    Uh, no...

    Salvia Divinorium may be a legal drug, but it's much, much more intense than psilocybin mushrooms and LSD, although it lasts five to twenty minutes, not as much as you are saying it does.

    Salvia can give you full on hallucinations that many inexperienced people do not know how to deal with.

    Mushrooms do not last up to twelve hours like you're saying. Like I said it's give or take four or six hours.

    Why do you say not to have sex?


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    EDIT:
    Forget that. Sorry. I'm better off not saying anything
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    Nope not allowed - Seneca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunar4 View Post
    Im not a big fan of mushrooms. I recomend 2-C-I if you can find it.
    The 2-C family of chemicals are still in experimental stages. Try at your own risk. If I remember correctly, they're sold freely in Japan.


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    juno

    salvia can be bought 8X 16X strength so i presumed its strength varies. you could always cut it with something else anyway - some nice grass or something.

    acid does last 12 hours or so i remember :hmmm: mushrooms hmm well we drank it in tea so kept going whenever we had it.

    not clever to have sex for two reasons...

    1. it takes up a large amount of ‘trip energy’.
    ...and is comparatively boring.

    2. a girl i knew thought her boyfriend was a werewolf, they split up. form tends to twist all over the place, and late in the trip people can look damn ugly or contorted. sometimes the idea of it remains ~ its all in the eye of the beholder.

    3. man, dicks n pussies are just funny things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    juno

    salvia can be bought 8X 16X strength so i presumed its strength varies. you could always cut it with something else anyway - some nice grass or something.
    That Xx concentration is just a scam, nothing more than to just get you to buy.


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    nothing you cant do yourself with a strainer and denatured alchohol ( increase the concentration of alkaloids in plants)

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