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    Default [Amendment&Decision] Election to the CdeC

    Based off ferret's proposal here.

    Amendment
    Article 5 - Consilium de CivitatesThe Consilium de Civitates manages the granting and removal of all Curia Ranks by voting. The Consilium de Civitates may also function as an advisory body to the staff of TWC in matters concerning the Curia and its Citizens.

    MembershipThe full membership comprises of:
    • Twelve elected Citizens, who may discuss and vote on all matters within the Consilium de Civitates Forum
    • Council Officers, who may discuss all matters within the Consilium de Civitates Forum, but have no vote.
    • The Curator, who may take part in all Consilium de Civitates discussions, and has the deciding vote only in the case of a tie. The Curator has veto powers over any Consilium de Civitates decision.


    Elected members of the Consilium de Civitates and the Curator must actively participate in discussions and votes, Council Officers participation is optional.

    ElectionsConsilium de Civitates members are elected as per Article 2 of this Section for three month terms, with the added requirements that candidates have no Staff warnings at the time of election and hold their rank for three months.

    If a member of the Consilium de Civitates resigns during their term, and that term is less than 50% completed (that is, it has over one and a half months left to run), an election will be held for a replacement member to serve the remainder of the term. If the resigning member's term is more than 50% completed, the vacant position may be filled by a volunteering Staff Officer who otherwise fits the requirements for the position.

    New elections will be held prior to the expiry of member's terms in order to ensure that the Consilium de Civitates remains at full strength.


    Each elected Consilium de Civitates member has a term of three months starting from their date of election. When their term expires, new elections will be held for membership to the Consilium de Civitates.

    If a member of the Consilium de Civitates resigns during their term, or if during elections less than twelve eligible Citizens apply in the candidates thread, the vacant positions may be filled by a volunteering Staff Officer with at least Citizen rank.

    Removal from OfficeA Consilium de Civitates member may resign from office, or can be removed from office by a majority vote of the elected councillors, such a vote being triggered by any of the following:
    • A successful vote of no confidence by the Curia
    • Incurring a warning level of one
    • Incurring 2 cautions in the space of 3 months
    • Being subject to proceedings laid out in Section 4 Article 1
    • Prolonged inactivity, as decided by a simple majority vote in the Consilium de Civitates




    Decision
    The Curia moves that:
    • The election to be held upon the expiration of therussian's term on the CdeC should elect a member for a period of 34 days, with a term to expire on the 1st of March
    • The election to be held upon the expiration of Ferrets54's term on the CdeC should elect a member for a period of 23 days, with a term to expire on the 1st of March
    • Pannonian's term on the CdeC should be shortened by two days, to expire on the 1st of March
    • Eclipse's term on the CdeC should be shortened by 15 days, to expire on the 23rd of March
    • Elrond's term on the CdeC should be shortened by 15 days, to expire on the 23rd of March
    • Voltaire's term on the CdeC should be shortened by 15 days, to expire on the 23rd of March
    • Annaeus's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 8 days, to expire on the 15th of April
    • Hotspur's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 8 days, to expire on the 15th of April
    • Shyam's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 8 days, to expire on the 15th of April
    • Rez's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 30 days, to expire on the 7th of May
    • Trax's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 30 days, to expire on the 7th of May
    • Tom Paine's term on the CdeC should be lengthened by 30 days, to expire on the 7th of May


    Feel free to check my math there
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    Current CdeC members and term expiry dates
    Tom Paine - Term Expires April 7th
    Rez - Term Expires April 7th
    Shyam popat - Term Expires April 7th
    Hotspur - Term Expires April 7th
    Annaeus - Term Expires April 7th
    Voltaire le Philosophe - Term Expires April 7th
    Elrond - Term Expires April 7th
    Eclipse SG - Term Expires April 7th
    Trax - Term Expires April 7th
    therussian - Term Expires January 26th
    Ferrets54 - Term Expires 6th February
    Pannonian - Term Expires 3rd March

    Ranking of Members with terms to expire on the 7th of April
    1. Tom Paine
    2. Trax
    3. Rez
    4. Shyam popat
    5. Hotspur
    6. Annaeus
    7. Voltaire
    8. Elrond
    9. Eclipse
    Last edited by sapi; January 10, 2008 at 09:25 PM.
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    Default Re: [Amendment&Decision] Election to the CdeC

    Support.

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    Default Re: [Amendment&Decision] Election to the CdeC

    You've got Annaeus listed twice in the decision. Shouldn't one of those be Shyam?

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    He be hatin'. Support.

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    Support. Though I'm not sure about the 50% idea. Fifty percent of the term is only a month and a half, if someone resigns a week after that threshold, that is still a significant amount of time where the position is left to staff. Though I agree with the general idea, it should be made more flexible.

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    I support.

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    i'm not sure how effective that decision will be. afterall, you still allow for new members to be elected outside of set "spread" of elections you've laid down, so eventually it won't be a regular 3 at a time...

    "New elections will be held prior to the expiry of member's terms in order to ensure that the Consilium de Civitates remains at full strength."

    has this stopped happening? if so, why? It has always been policy that an election cycle started 2 weeks before the end of any officers term, so that the new officer took office immediately.

    If you are going to include that line (instead of simply holding the curator to account for inefficient performance and neglect of duty) then you need to specify how long before... a month? why prior? why not arrange elections to end on the day a term expires, that way, the minute the election is concluded, you remove one set of councillors, and instate the new set, as used to happen

    i support the principle, but i'm not sure this is the best way of doing it

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    You've got Annaeus listed twice in the decision. Shouldn't one of those be Shyam?
    Yep, that's what you get for copy-pasting parts of it to save time Fixed.

    Support. Though I'm not sure about the 50% idea. Fifty percent of the term is only a month and a half, if someone resigns a week after that threshold, that is still a significant amount of time where the position is left to staff. Though I agree with the general idea, it should be made more flexible.
    The minimum term that I want to see is one month; 50% of a councilor's term (6 weeks) is exactly that if you subtract a week for applications, and a week for the vote. Besides, I trust staff for some strange reason

    i'm not sure how effective that decision will be. afterall, you still allow for new members to be elected outside of set "spread" of elections you've laid down, so eventually it won't be a regular 3 at a time...
    Those new members are elected for "the remainder of the term", so yes, it will

    "New elections will be held prior to the expiry of member's terms in order to ensure that the Consilium de Civitates remains at full strength."

    has this stopped happening? if so, why? It has always been policy that an election cycle started 2 weeks before the end of any officers term, so that the new officer took office immediately.

    If you are going to include that line (instead of simply holding the curator to account for inefficient performance and neglect of duty) then you need to specify how long before... a month? why prior? why not arrange elections to end on the day a term expires, that way, the minute the election is concluded, you remove one set of councillors, and instate the new set, as used to happen
    It was included in the first deleted line - "When their term expires, new elections will be held for membership to the Consilium de Civitates " - and I figured that I'd have more complaints if I removed it (nope, I've no idea why it was there to begin with either ).
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    Default Re: [Amendment&Decision] Election to the CdeC

    This doesn't help. Maintaining the CdeC at full strength at all cost doesn't have many tangible benefits and is the cause of these election problems. It would be far easier just to organise elections whenever the number of seats filled falls below a certain percentage of "full strength", regardless of whether that's due to resignations or term expiry.
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    Default Re: [Amendment&Decision] Election to the CdeC

    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    This doesn't help. Maintaining the CdeC at full strength at all cost doesn't have many tangible benefits and is the cause of these election problems. It would be far easier just to organise elections whenever the number of seats filled falls below a certain percentage of "full strength", regardless of whether that's due to resignations or term expiry.
    It may not have any tangible benefits (though I'd argue that allowing any less than 12 members to vet citizens is getting a bit ridiculous), but under this system it wouldn't cause any election problems
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    The best thing about this proposed system is that it removes large groups or tiny groups of incoming CDeC members. I think no one here wants 9+ seats up in one election, nor do we want an election with only one seat. This helps stabilize the electoral process greatly.
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