Diebold favors Hillary, hand count for Obama

[HorseArcher]

Check this out:


Diebold favors Hillary, hand count for Obama
http://presscue.com/node/38034

I used the Comma delimited database: NH municipalities hand count vs use Diebold machines from BlackBoxVoting.org to see if there was a deviation between the results from precincts which used hand counts and those which relied on Diebold machines. The results were astonishing. :


By Percentage

Method---------------Hillary Clinton---------Barack Obama
Diebold Machines ===========53.23%=======46.77%
Hand Count ==============47.47% ========52.53%


By Votes
Method ========Hillary Clinton=========Barack Obama
Diebold Machines =====82860=============72807
Hand Count =========18898=============20912

By Number of Municipalities Won

Method =========Hillary Clinton========Barack Obama
Diebold Machines ======54================33
Hand Count ==========43 ================77

About 81% of the votes will be "counted" by the Diebold machines.

The Al Gore effect.

Watch this demonstration:

Steal an election with Diebold machine in one minute

[removeduser_487563287433]

Do you have more sources for the hand count and diebold tallies?

[HorseArcher]

Do you have more sources for the hand count and diebold tallies?

Well, the blog was written about 3hrs ago today, I'm not betting on this to be completely accurate, and anyway, the election was very close (It can be booked as a tie) , but this is sure needs more investigation, if you ask me.

We'll see if the media picks up about this and maybe more sources will be available from more credible sources.

[Big War Bird]

Oh that would just too perfect for me, I'm might die from glee.

[Farnan]

Umm... they compared precints that used hand counts with those that used diebolds. Did you stop to think he may be more popular at some precints than others?

Don't get me wrong I would love Obama to win the Democratic Primary (even though a Clinton win would garauntee McCain a place in the White House if he wins the primary) but I don't want to assume a loss by him would be due to election fraud.

[HorseArcher]

Umm... they compared precints that used hand counts with those that used diebolds. Did you stop to think he may be more popular at some precints than others?

Don't get me wrong I would love Obama to win the Democratic Primary (even though a Clinton win would garauntee McCain a place in the White House if he wins the primary) but I don't want to assume a loss by him would be due to election fraud.

Ohh, but there are also problems about the Iowa Votings where Obama won, so just to be fair here:

CNN: On the eve of Iowa caucus, some states give e-voting an 'F'

With only a day left before the Iowa caucus kicks off 2008 presidential voting, electronic tabulating machines to be used in some state primaries may be "unfit" for an election, according to CNN.

"As primaries draw near," reports Wolf Blitzer, "some states are finding serious problems already with their electronic voting machines -- and they're ready to give e-voting a grade of 'F'"

CNN's Carol Costello says that despite the rash of voting irregularities that plagued previous presidential elections in 2004 and 2000, voting machines -- specifically electronic versions of the devices -- still have flaws.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Ev...s_F__0102.html

Can You Count on Voting Machines?

By CLIVE THOMPSON
Published: January 6, 2008

Jane Platten gestured, bleary-eyed, into the secure room filled with voting machines. It was 3 a.m. on Nov. 7, and she had been working for 22 hours straight. “I guess we’ve seen how technology can affect an election,” she said. The electronic voting machines in Cleveland were causing trouble again.

For a while, it had looked as if things would go smoothly for the Board of Elections office in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. About 200,000 voters had trooped out on the first Tuesday in November for the lightly attended local elections, tapping their choices onto the county’s 5,729 touch-screen voting machines. The elections staff had collected electronic copies of the votes on memory cards and taken them to the main office, where dozens of workers inside a secure, glass-encased room fed them into the “GEMS server,” a gleaming silver Dell desktop computer that tallies the votes.

Then at 10 p.m., the server suddenly froze up and stopped counting votes. Cuyahoga County technicians clustered around the computer, debating what to do. A young, business-suited employee from Diebold — the company that makes the voting machines used in Cuyahoga — peered into the screen and pecked at the keyboard. No one could figure out what was wrong. So, like anyone faced with a misbehaving computer, they simply turned it off and on again. Voilà: It started working — until an hour later, when it crashed a second time. Again, they rebooted. By the wee hours, the server mystery still hadn’t been solved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/ma...=1&oref=slogin

[Icefrisco]

Is this some sort of insult at Al Gore supporters?

[Dunecat]

Have we learned nothing from Al Gore?...

[danzig]

Hah you know joked today that if Hillary was a republican with the poll data the last few days people would be crying cheat. So Diebold has gone from a right wing republican loving company to democratic left wing loving company? Suggesting she cheated is as stupid as it was when people accused Bush/Rove of doing it.

Facts, Clinton's popularity was in "big cities" (pre voting polls) those big cities are more likely to have electronic voting because they have more people and hence need the more efficient method to cast and count votes. So without actual proof drawing this conclusion from vote tallies is laughable at best.

[Lunar4]

Ron Paul was also cheated out of votes.

New Hampshire District Admits Ron Paul Votes Not Counted
Sutton township reported Congressman had zero votes, actual number was 31

The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count.

As we reported earlier today, an entire family voted for Ron Paul in Sutton, yet when the voting map on the Politico website was posted, the total votes for Ron Paul were zero.

Vote fraud expert Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that the 31 votes Ron Paul received were completely omitted from the final report sheet, claiming "human error" was responsible for the mistake.

Two or three votes not counted could be a plausible mistake - but 31 votes for one candidate?

"The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form," Harris told the Alex Jones Show.

"They are counting everything in public real nice, they fill out a form in public real nice and then they transfer it to another form and they call that a summary sheet and then that is the one they send in," explained Harris.

"What happened is she said they did not transfer the number correctly and put zero instead of 31 - that is unacceptable as an answer."

With 100% of precincts now reporting, the map originally listed zero votes for Ron Paul as you can see below. It has now been updated to reflect the 31 votes Paul actually received.

The remainder of the 31 people in Sutton who voted for Ron Paul need to go public immediately with the charge of vote fraud and make it known that they were cheated out of their right to vote.

Harris estimates that it could cost the Ron Paul campaign as much as $67,000 dollars for a recount, but such a move could throw the entire primary into doubt, especially in light of the fact that Barack Obama appears to have been cheated out of a win by Hillary Clinton.

[danzig]

So all you need to do is find 60,000+ more votes Paul was "cheated" out of!

[Medicus]

Ron Paul was also cheated out of votes.

Of course Ron Paul was cheated out of votes! His glorious libertarian policies threaten the decadent socialistic system that the great United States is falling into! Fuhrer Hillary's weak and corrupt fascist ideals cannot be allowed to enter the White House!

It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

[Snoopy]

Of course Ron Paul was cheated out of votes! His glorious libertarian policies threaten the decadent socialistic system that the great United States is falling into! Fuhrer Hillary's weak and corrupt fascist ideals cannot be allowed to enter the White House!

It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

Thats Fuhrer Guiliani. Ron Paulites have a problem with Guiliani. Clinton isn't a problem unless she wins.

And I know that Ron Paul didn't win in New Hampshire, but I guarantee if I complained that some McCain votes were omitted (assuming Romney won in a near tie), you would switch from "Wise ass comment mode" to "Agreement mode". Before you ever make wise crack comments, imagine if it were, say, McCain or Romney.

[Medicus]

And I know that Ron Paul didn't win in New Hampshire, but I guarantee if I complained that some McCain votes were omitted (assuming Romney won in a near tie), you would switch from "Wise ass comment mode" to "Agreement mode". Before you ever make wise crack comments, imagine if it were, say, McCain or Romney.

I still wouldn't care.

[Dunecat]

OKAY, let me break in here and moderate.

There was ONE instance where votes were not tallied for Ron Paul until a delayed time after the final totals were announced. It was under 50 votes difference.

Easy, boys. Easy...

[Lunar4]

Im not saying he won New Hampshire. Im just saying that not all votes were counted, and this is only one case. It throws the whole system into doubt, because who knows who really won? We dont because of easily hackable voting machines among other things.

Dont take anything at face value. Ever.

[danzig]

Im not saying he won New Hampshire. Im just saying that not all votes were counted, and this is only one case. It throws the whole system into doubt, because who knows who really won? We dont because of easily hackable voting machines among other things.

Dont take anything at face value. Ever.

And never make a mountain out of a mole hill. The fact is it appears to have been a simple human screw up which of course happens, no election is perfect but that hardly indicates anything more. Its why recounts are done when elections are CLOSE to weed out those errors. This is standard stuff.

[Dunecat]

And never make a mountain out of a mole hill. The fact is it appears to have been a simple human screw up which of course happens, no election is perfect but that hardly indicates anything more. Its why recounts are done when elections are CLOSE to weed out those errors. This is standard stuff.

Danzig wins the internets, +1, and over9000.

The fact is that our current method of vote counting is inefficient and prone to abuse, HOWEVER that does not mean conspiracy when someone with invested political power and political hegemony comes from nowhere to steal the election.

[danzig]

Danzig wins the internets, +1, and over9000.

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[Sleeper]

Of course Clinton cheated. Her and her husband lead the most powerful clique of the Democratic party.

The second I saw that the youth vote was not much lower than expected, cheating became the only possibility. She was terrified. If she lost NH that was done.