Pedophilia - not necessarily wrong

[Seleucus I Nicator]

As is inprinted in today's society, pedophilia is wrong without question. But think about it:

In Ancient Greece pedophilia was common, and you don't read from sources how great historical men from Ancient Greece whined, fell into depression and cut themselves because of it. No, it was perfectly natural, and there was nothing wrong with it from their point of view.

But in today's society the child is taught that the older man took advantage of him/her, and that he was too weak to resist the stronger older man. As a result, feelings of shame and inadequacy is produced within the child - not because of the "evil" pedophile, but because of society's approach to it.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong having sex with a child myself, as long as it is consentful, due to the reasons I have mentioned above. Infact, I blame society for creating the feelings of shame within the child, but if the pedophile is very well aware of this and does it for that partipicular reason, he's guilty as well.

[Chaigidel]

It is what you call a societal Taboo-- it is wrong and is recognized as wrong by the greatest portion of human society.

I urge you to seek professional help, a child cannot consent they do not have the mental faculty to consent-- you blame the society because like most sociopaths your incapable of viewing your actions as responsible for anything.

Flame removed - Manstein

[Skyler]

With your emphesis on the word child I would like to say that children of a young age are generally not sexually orientated. How else would a man or woman get to have sex with children without the use of force or subtle manipulation?

I have a young niece whom I regard as a kid sister, if an adult wanted to have sex with her it would have to be over my cold dead body.

If you had kids do you think it would be okay for a adult man to have sex with them?

[Seleucus I Nicator]

If you had kids do you think it would be okay for a adult man to have sex with them?

If it would be, no; if it should be, yes. As I have said it is a societal issue, and I wouldn't want my childs to feel bad. But if I lived in a society where it was alright, then I'd not mind if they had sex with adults.

[Skyler]

Anyway you said you wanted to present arguments....what are they?


I do not want to be a pain but the current state is lacking.

[Skyler]

If it would be, no; if it should be, yes. As I have said it is a societal issue, and I wouldn't want my childs to feel bad. But if I lived in a society where it was alright, then I'd not mind if they had sex with adults.

If it was socialy acceptable but you children would be traumatized it would be okay? And otherwise it would not?

I don't know why on earth people have the urge to sasiate their lust at the expence of children...it is not okay to do so.

If you think otherwise then you need help, badly, instead of profiling some sort of concensus on borderlining pedophillia.

[Seleucus I Nicator]

If it was socialy acceptable but you children would be traumatized it would be okay? And otherwise it would not?

As I have said in my original post, if it was socially acceptable the children wouldn't be traumatized. Unless it was rape of course, but that traumatize people regardless of age.

Since through scientific discoveries we know that children are not mature enough to choose in matters such as sexuality, and we are sure that early sexuality can have profound negative consequences on psychological developement, this is incorrect.

What I said above.

Also, whilst many do not advocate for censorship, in this case I do. Your thread should be closed and you should be sanctioned for trying to promote illegal activities, and then banned.

I'm not promoting illegal activies; I'm saying that if pedophilia was allowed - socially and legally - it would have no negative effects on the children, and thus there would be nothing wrong with it.

[danzig]

As I have said in my original post, if it was socially acceptable the children wouldn't be traumatized. Unless it was rape of course, but that traumatize people regardless of age.

I'm not promoting illegal activies; I'm saying that if pedophilia was allowed - socially and legally - it would have no negative effects on the children, and thus there would be nothing wrong with it.

So would murder have no traumatic effect if it was socially acceptable? Robbery? Assault? The one question you fail to ask in all this is WHY did it become unacceptable socially, the answer is because there is more then enough evidence that it is indeed traumatic to children.

[Noble Savage]

In the U.K ,children under 16 cannot give consent. For their own physical and mental well-being they do not have that right. Even if it's with another child ,it's illegal.

Civilised soceity has deemed it non-debatable for decades . Thats why dirty little perverts resort to going underground. It's shameful and downright dangerous. We have a obligation to protect children as much as everyone has the right to live free from cruelty.

[Chaigidel]

He obviously doesnt have any children which he feels a familial connection with; otherwise this sort of thing would appear appropriately repulsive to him.

I have along with the rest of my family raised my cousins child ( she was declared incompetent and is in jail woohoo jerry springer)-- and the thought of anyone even thinking such a thing about the life I am to protect, frankly makes me see red, the rage I feel towards people who would harm children is one of the most overwhelming emotions I have.-- there is very little that can be said without violating tos

I think that greeks accepted child-sex because they were a primitive people; we are more advanced; we have different standards; satisfaction of oneself at the expense of everything and everyone else is repulsive to any society; since we all accept that underage sex does damage the child then we all accept that you are committing a heinous crime by engaging in such an act.

[Seleucus I Nicator]

He obviously doesnt have any children which he feels a familial connection with; otherwise this sort of thing would appear appropriately repulsive to him.

Yes, that's true. I don't. But I'm sure I would reason the same way as I do now if I had.

[Spurius]

Yes, that's true. I don't. But I'm sure I would reason the same way as I do now if I had.

From page 1, not going to read the rest really - but that, my man, is patently FALSE.

You cannot claim such a thing. Those emotions you have or not, and do not stem from any rational process. You don't 'decide' it's a good thing to be protective of your children. That's done for you. HOW you will do so, *is* a rational process.

So don't claim you can 'understand', since you cannot. Simple as that.

[Noble Savage]

He obviously doesnt have any children which he feels a familial connection with; otherwise this sort of thing would appear appropriately repulsive to him.

I have along with the rest of my family raised my cousins child ( she was declared incompetent and is in jail woohoo jerry springer)-- and the thought of anyone even thinking such a thing about the life I am to protect, frankly makes me see red, the rage I feel towards people who would harm children is one of the most overwhelming emotions I have.

I think there is a natural instinct ( in nearly everyone regardless of familarity with children ) to protecting children. It looks like soceity is doing it's job if young people like you find it repulsive and I commend you for it.

[Chaigidel]

actually im sure your reasoning would change; unless you truly are a sociopath incapable of understanding anything but your own desires.

@portent(people like me ? :O !!!)

[Noble Savage]

actually im sure your reasoning would change; unless you truly are a sociopath incapable of understanding anything but your own desires.

(people like me ? :O !!!)

sorry mate ,I added the "young" bit afterwards , I hope no offence was caused .

[Chaigidel]

blah I am the old fogey who prowls at 29

[Noble Savage]

blah I am the old fogey who prowls at 29

Damn you look good for your age

Again, Apologises but you are still younger than me.

I have to agree with Skyler ,the only reason the OP has given is that he think's it's acceptable if the child consents. Why do you think kids have the right to consent?

[Ummon]

As is inprinted in today's society, pedophilia is wrong without question. But think about it:

In Ancient Greece pedophilia was common, and you don't read from sources how great historical men from Ancient Greece whined, fell into depression and cut themselves because of it. No, it was perfectly natural, and there was nothing wrong with it from their point of view.

But in today's society the child is taught that the older man took advantage of him/her, and that he was too weak to resist the stronger older man. As a result, feelings of shame and inadequacy is produced within the child - not because of the "evil" pedophile, but because of society's approach to it.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong having sex with a child myself, as long as it is consentful, due to the reasons I have mentioned above. Infact, I blame society for creating the feelings of shame within the child, but if the pedophile is very well aware of this and does it for that partipicular reason, he's guilty as well.

Since through scientific discoveries we know that children are not mature enough to choose in matters such as sexuality, and we are sure that early sexuality can have profound negative consequences on psychological developement, this is incorrect.

It is also incorrect in legal terms, to think that a minor can choose freely, without the consent of his parents, and also, to suggest that a civilized society can expose its weaker members to potentially traumatic activities, for which they are not prepared.

Also, whilst many do not advocate for censorship, in this case I do. Your thread should be closed and you should be sanctioned for trying to promote illegal activities, and then banned.

Unfortunately though, we live in an excessively free environement.

[Ummon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse

Sexual abuse

Sexual abuse (also referred to as molestation) is defined as the forcing of undesired sexual acts by one person to another. The euphemism "bad touch" is sometimes used to describe such abuse. (Renvoizé 1982)

Different types of sexual abuse involve:

Non-consensual, forced physical sexual behavior such as rape or sexual assault
Psychological forms of abuse, such as verbal sexual behavior or stalking.
The use of a position of trust for sexual purposes.

The latter applies to all sexual intercourse between adults and minors, since minors are in a position of limited power, independence, and maturity, both intellectual and emotional.

All sex with children, is therefore abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexuality

[edit] Behavior

[edit] Normative and non-normative behaviors
Although there is variation between individuals, children generally are curious about their own bodies and those of others and engage in explorative sex play.[6][7] However, the concept of child sexuality is fundamentally different from goal-driven adult sexual behavior, and imitation of adult behaviors such as bodily penetration and oral-genital contact are very uncommon,[8] but are more common among children who have been sexually abused.[1] Children with other types of behaviour disorder may also display more behaviours of a sexual nature than other children.[1]


[edit] Symptomatic behaviors
Children who have been the victim of sexual abuse sometimes show sexualized behavior,[9][10] which may be defined as expressed behavior that is non-normative for the culture. Typical symptomatic behaviors in developed societies may include attempting to involve other children in unwanted sexual activities (see Child-on-child sexual abuse), and excessive :wub: or public :wub:. Sexualized behavior can constitute the best indication that a child has been sexually abused, although some victims do not exhibit abnormal behavior.[9]

Children who exhibit sexualized behavior may also have other behavioral problems, although factors other than sexual abuse may cause these problems.[10] Other symptoms of sexual abuse may include manifestations of post-traumatic stress in younger children; fear, aggression, and nightmares in young school-age children; and depression in older children.[9]

You are implicitly promoting illegal activities, and you should be banned. :wink:

[Seleucus I Nicator]

You are implicitly promoting illegal activities, and you should be banned. :wink:

No, I'm not. It is you who misinterpret it that way.

I don't know why on earth people have the urge to sasiate their lust at the expence of children...it is not okay to do so.

If you think otherwise then you need help, badly, instead of profiling some sort of concensus on borderlining pedophillia.

Right and wrong is a completely subjective issue. I could stab you in the heart and kill you, and yet it would not be wrong unless I thought of it as such.