Units discussion thread

[Dave Scarface]

Nice spot Blackader, there was only a very small number of unit changes. All this means is the stats in the unit description for these units will be slightly inaccurate. They will still work normally though.

thanks
Dave

[Seraphic Fate]

Does this new patch feature the removal of secondary fire from the early siege weapons? If so, can you teach me how to change it back to vanilla?

[Dave Scarface]

Hi Seraphic Fate,

This is easy to change, all you need to do is unpack the Crusades campaign and you don't need to even edit anythink. Note when you unpack the main game or any of the Kingdoms campaigns you must delete 2 files in the data folder you unpacked, or the game will crash when you load a battle. Delete the descr_geography_new.db and descr_geography_new.txt.

Go to SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\crusades\data folder and copy the descr_projectile.txt. Now go to SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\kingdoms_grand_campaign_mod\data. And paste it into my mods data folder. You now have fiery projectiles back for catapults and trebuchets.

regards
Dave

[Seraphic Fate]

Cheers. Thanks a lot! Is the patch already updated, by the way?

[Dave Scarface]

No problem at all, and if I can help you with anythink else just ask me. Yes the patch was updated on 20/01/08 and includes 3 very small bug fixes. If you are in the middle of a campaign though I would not bother re-patching until you finish your current campaign. As you will need to start again to see these fixes all working properly anyway.

best
Dave

[Seraphic Fate]

What kind of changes don't reflect instantly on a previous campaign, anyway? Is there a FAQ somewhere regarding those?

[razor1955]

How about ditching one of the lower end achers from England and adding in English crossbowmen.England did have crossbowmen.Possibly armored sergeants to.The sergeants can have crossbow,spear or sword.I believe these units are for other factions to,france,hre, venice, papal states, sicily,and others.This would be a nice addition.All 3 would be great units to have in this mod.

[vietanh797]

wtf
sorry but add those unit will make this mod become a bad mod because all faction will have same unit and in the others hand this make the England become too strong
sorry dave but i don't think this is a good idea and i can't stop post

[Dave Scarface]

Well I don't think there is anythink wrong with what he asks me.

But I may not add anymore new units now anyway, so we will see.


Dave

[vietanh797]

really?
MTW2 have each nations some unit but they not too like the others so i can see the different but if add more unit example like crossbow to England so is there any thing diferent between them and France
if this happen it like you play AOE with option "full tech tree" enable

[Dave Scarface]

really?
MTW2 have each nations some unit but they not too like the others so i can see the different but if add more unit example like crossbow to England so is there any thing diferent between them and France
if this happen it like you play AOE with option "full tech tree" enable

If you have nothink constructive to say in my forums then please do not post. I am not going to argue with you about somethink so unimportant.. And I would ask you to respect the opinions of others when posting here in these forums.

Dave

[vietanh797]

very sorry about my last post
i will change for sure
and please there are something wrong with the axemen of scot
they don't have the strait "scare nearby enemy"
could you add it back

[Dave Scarface]

Thank you vietanh, thats better, and I will take a look at changing scots axemen stats for you

best
Dave

[Blackader]

What other change will you make in the units, in fact? Just for curiosity, I can't wait for the last update!

[razor1955]

Ok i would like to ask a question and if you don't care to answer i'll understand.Since i'am enjoying your mod so much and want to stay with it and watch it develope into a supendous mod how can i place units in it like the armor sergeants from other mods that already use them.Can i coppy and paste the entire units stat files into your unit stat files and the same in building text or is there more to it than that.The reason i ask this is it seems to me that the armor sergeants,crossbow,spearmen ,cavarly and swordsmen were the basic mid grade unit of the medieval times where the game has only low grade spearmen and bowmen and high grade knights and bowmen but not much in the middle grade or average unit.I'am not asking you to do all these changes in your mod unless you are interested but just wondering if you could give me some advice.I realize i could play these units in another mod but i have played the other mods and i'am impressed with yours much more.I'am not a modder, so i'am learning now.

[Dave Scarface]

Armored Sergeants added for England

But thats all you are going to get

cheers
Dave

[Dave Scarface]

What other change will you make in the units, in fact? Just for curiosity, I can't wait for the last update!

Here are some of the small changes I was thinking about.

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type Canons of the Holy Sepulcher
dictionary Canons_of_the_Holy_Sepulcher ; Canons of the Holy Sepulcher
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Canons_Of_The_Holy_Sepulcher, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw
move_speed_mod 1.2
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 2, 0
stat_pri 14, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 25, 1.3
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 6, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 5, 6, 0, 0, 9, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 6
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 13, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 810, 225, 100, 235, 1020, 1, 300
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models Canons_Of_The_Holy_Sepulcher, Canons_Of_The_Holy_Sepulcher_ug1
ownership antioch
era 0 antioch
era 1 antioch
;unit_info 18, 0, 28
recruit_priority_offset 10

type Alamanoi
dictionary Alamanoi ; Alamanoi
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
accent German
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Alamanoi, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw, mercenary_unit
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 9, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 25, 1.3
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 5, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 3, 5, 0, 0, 8, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 6
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 11, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 590, 150, 60, 140, 490, 4, 140
armour_ug_levels 2, 3
armour_ug_models Alamanoi, Alamanoi_ug1
ownership byzantium, slave
era 0 byzantium
era 1 byzantium
;unit_info 15, 0, 11
recruit_priority_offset 15

type Zweihander
dictionary Zweihander ; Zwei Hander
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Zweihander, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 14, 9, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, sword, 25, 1.3
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 8, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 5, 6, 0, 0, 8, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 7
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 11, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 520, 150, 60, 140, 520, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Zweihander, Zweihander_ug1
ownership hre
;unit_info 15, 0, 13
recruit_priority_offset 20

type Varangian Guard
dictionary Varangian_Guard ; Varangian Guard
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
accent East_European
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Varangian_Guard, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 15, 9, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1.33
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 10, 5, metal
;stat_armour_ex 5, 6, 0, 0, 10, 5, 3, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 7
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 13, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 690, 175, 65, 155, 690, 4, 200
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Varangian_Guard, Varangian_Guard_ug1
ownership byzantium
era 0 byzantium
era 1 byzantium
;unit_info 19, 0, 20
recruit_priority_offset 25

type Dismounted English Knights
dictionary Dismounted_English_Knights ; Dismounted English Knights
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_English_Knights, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 15, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1.33
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 10, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 6, 7, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 8
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 13, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 590, 225, 65, 155, 590, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 4, 5
armour_ug_models Dismounted_English_Knights, Dismounted_English_Knights_ug1
ownership england
;unit_info 19, 0, 16
recruit_priority_offset 20

type Dismounted Noble Knights
dictionary Dismounted_Noble_Knights ; Dismounted Noble Knights
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_Noble_Knights, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 15, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1.33
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 10, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 6, 7, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 8
stat_ground 1, -2, 3, 4
stat_mental 13, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 590, 225, 65, 155, 590, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 4, 5
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Noble_Knights, Dismounted_Noble_Knights_ug1
ownership france
;unit_info 19, 0, 16
recruit_priority_offset 20

type Dismounted Conquistadores
dictionary Dismounted_Conquistadores ; Dismounted Conquistadores
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_Conquistadores, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 12, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 25, 1
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 5, 5, 8, metal
;stat_armour_ex 5, 6, 0, 0, 5, 8, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental 13, low, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 690, 150, 65, 155, 690, 4, 200
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Conquistadores, Dismounted_Conquistadores_ug1
ownership spain, portugal
;unit_info 14, 0, 18
recruit_priority_offset 30

type Dismounted Portuguese Knights
dictionary Dismounted_Portuguese_Knights ; Dismounted Portuguese Knights
category infantry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Dismounted_Portuguese_Knights, 48, 0, 1.2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, can_withdraw
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 0
stat_pri 15, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, slashing, axe, 25, 1.33
;stat_pri_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr ap
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 25, 1
;stat_sec_ex 0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 6, 10, 0, metal
;stat_armour_ex 6, 7, 0, 0, 10, 0, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 4
stat_ground 1, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental 13, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 590, 225, 65, 155, 590, 4, 170
armour_ug_levels 4, 5
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Portuguese_Knights, Dismounted_Portuguese_Knights_ug1
ownership portugal
;unit_info 19, 0, 16
recruit_priority_offset 30

[Blackader]

You still have forgotten to update the units info... For example units info for canons of holy sepulcre is 18/28 (and attack 14 and armor 13 in the detail). Perhaps you make all those units a little bit too weak? On the other hand they were already very strong. You're perhaps right...What do you think about it?

[Dave Scarface]

Yeah I will adjust the unit info as well, sorry. I think some of these units were a little too powerful before. But like you say they are still very strong units even after these changes. I also adjusted a few more heavy infantry units for some other factions as well.

[razor1955]

Armored Sergeants added for England

But thats all you are going to get

cheers
Dave

Thanks for responding.It's your mod and we are just using it.It was nice of you to honor a request.Thanks.But i still would like to know how to do that myself.Where and how may i aquire info to learn how to add stuff like this.I'am not ready to learn how to be a modder but i would love to tinker with unit stats and additions.I'am really looking forward towards your new update.Again thanks.