How Is The Aboriginal-European Relationship In Australia?

[jankren]

Once I talked to Aussie brothers who despised Aussie aboriginals so much that they even said they never saw an aboriginal who did not crap on the street. I knew they were exaggerating but still I was like what the ****?!?

So any Australians can enlighten me regarding this matter?

[boofhead]

Once I talked to Aussie brothers who despised Aussie aboriginals so much that they even said they never saw an aboriginal who did not crap on the street. I knew they were exaggerating but still I was like what the ****?!?

You said that to me many moons ago, and I told you I had never seen an Aboriginal do a dump in public, not once, ever. I can only ever imagine an alcoholic bum doing that, and whites and other races have their bums also.

There are racist scumbags making up lies in every country.

EDIT: Australia has its racists. People who call anyone with darker skin than them "boong" or "coon" (mods if unacceptable and not auto-censored, please delete), basically the equivalent of the US N-word or "jigaboo".

[Burnum]

Once I talked to Aussie brothers who despised Aussie aboriginals so much that they even said they never saw an aboriginal who did not crap on the street. I knew they were exaggerating but still I was like what the ****?!?

It's the usual racist misconceptions.

So any Australians can enlighten me regarding this matter?

Basically a large majority aboriginals are poor and uneducated. Out side cities some Aboriginal communities live Third world standards.

You said that to me many moons ago, and I told you I had never seen an Aboriginal do a dump in public, not once, ever. I can only ever imagine an alcoholic bum doing that, and whites and other races have their bums also.

Homeless people use the public toilets. They don't usually crap on the streets.

There are racist scumbags making up lies in every country.

Yes and you get used too it. Aboriginals are cannibals, they rape white women, we're pedophiles, we're alcoholics, we all live on the Dole, we're lazy too work ect. some of these are accepted mainstream beliefs.

[boofhead]

Yes and you get used too it. Aboriginals are cannibals, they rape white women, we're pedophiles, we're alcoholics, we all live on the Dole, we're lazy too work ect. some of these are accepted mainstream beliefs.

Yes. But honestly traditional Aboriginal culture seems to have a clash with modern white-man govt. A single man with a knowledge of white law can defeat a family mob, and get results What happened to govt looking after communities?

[Burnum]

Yes. But honestly traditional Aboriginal culture seems to have a clash with modern white-man govt. A single man with a knowledge of white law can defeat a family mob, and get results What happened to govt looking after communities?

The government does it wrong. They strong arm Aboriginals into what the government wants. Most of them see it as another white invasion. You use diplomacy with elders, you don't send the army. You set industries, jobs so they can relieve the boredom, you don't ban alcohol and porn. You set sexual abuse awareness programs, not invasive medical check ups.

We need also equal representation in law, crack down on unequal sentences. I could go and on.

[jankren]

You said that to me many moons ago, and I told you I had never seen an Aboriginal do a dump in public, not once, ever. I can only ever imagine an alcoholic bum doing that, and whites and other races have their bums also.

There are racist scumbags making up lies in every country.

EDIT: Australia has its racists. People who call anyone with darker skin than them "boong" or "coon" (mods if unacceptable and not auto-censored, please delete), basically the equivalent of the US N-word or "jigaboo".

Did I? Man mesa must have drunk a bit too much. This is what happen when mesa have an Eastern European friend ...

Basically a large majority aboriginals are poor and uneducated. Out side cities some Aboriginal communities live Third world standards.

From what I saw on some documentaries, it seems that Aussie Aboriginals have even worse condition than Native Americans. Why is Aussie Govt not taking step to put Aboriginal youth in school and stuff?

[Burnum]

From what I saw on some documentaries, it seems that Aussie Aboriginals have even worse condition than Native Americans. Why is Aussie Govt not taking step to put Aboriginal youth in school and stuff?

I believe Aboriginals have the worst living standard of any other ethnic group
in the western world.

There's more too it than getting them school. You also have too lift them out of general poverty with stable work.

[Medicus]

I believe Aboriginals have the worst living standard of any other ethnic group
in the western world.

It's absolutely disgusting is what it is. And it's completely glossed over in the media. I don't give a **** about Paris Hilton's new beau when all this is going on behind our backs.

Yes. But honestly traditional Aboriginal culture seems to have a clash with modern white-man govt.

This is the whole problem. Or at least that's what I gathered from Year 12 Modern History.

Let's face it, the hunter-gatherer society the Aborigines lived in was completely incompatible with the Agraian, near-Industrial society the British had. The Colonists had no idea how to deal with the natives, and they're paying for it two centuries later.

There's more too it than getting them school. You also have too lift them out of general poverty with stable work.

And how do we do that? How do we get them away from the booze and the violence?

The sad thing is, it may well result in the destruction of their culture. How much quality of life can you have in Arnhem Land, or the communities in Northern Queensland?

Whatever happens, it's going to end bad for the Aborigines.

[Burnum]

It's absolutely disgusting is what it is. And it's completely glossed over in the media. I don't give a **** about Paris Hilton's new beau when all this is going on behind our backs.

No body cares. The government doesn't care because the general populace either ignores it or doesn't care.

This is the whole problem. Or at least that's what I gathered from Year 12 Modern History.

Culture has some part of it, but also poverty and discrimination.

And how do we do that? How do we get them away from the booze and the violence?

The main problem is that there's nothing too do there, No jobs and the only thing too do is get drunk.

The sad thing is, it may well result in the destruction of their culture. How much quality of life can you have in Arnhem Land, or the communities in Northern Queensland?

Our culture will adapt, it all ways has.

[boofhead]

Did I? Man mesa must have drunk a bit too much.

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Too much alcohol, jankren. You had better not drink it.

[Captain Blackadder]

I think mostly the relationship is fairly good on a individual bases however the governments treatment leaves much to be desired imo you know that your doing something wrong when the average age for aboriginals is 30 years less then whities.

[jankren]

When I went to New Zealand, it seems the Maoris were well integrated into the society so why cant the same thing happen in Aussie?

[imb39]

When I went to New Zealand, it seems the Maoris were well integrated into the society so why cant the same thing happen in Aussie?

I suspect there are a few Maoris who are not terribly well 'integrated'. Anyway, the history of new Zealand is radically different to the history of Australia. the key part being, I suspect, was that the Maoris signed a peace treaty with the British invaders and were treated with a good deal more respect (I'm not saying they were respected much, mind you, I simply do not know too much about this, save this piece of info). The Aborigines, however, was treated very differently from square one. The result is a cultural difference in the way the indigenous peoples were treated. New Zealand seems to be less business orientated than Australia too, so social development is different.

[Burnum]

Tonight I was flying from Perth to Sydney and so was forced to watch the in-flight entertainment to while away 5 hours. One of the shows was a documentary about Kakadu narrated by a biologist and by an aborigine bloke.

Towards the end the biologist said "The best way to understand this country is to listen to the aborigines. It's weird it's taken us this long to realise this, but they've been here for 20,000 years. Where else on earth can you tap into an ancient resource like that? I've talked to seven year olds up here who can tell me the name of every species of grass, when it seeds, how it grows, where it can be found, what animals eat each one. Seven year olds! My seven year old can barely tell me the names of the Wiggles!

Yeah, it's remarkable isn't it? We have oldest living culture by at least 15,000 thousand years.

In Bill Bryson's book In a Sunburned Country he writes about how amazed he is at Australians' total ignorance of and indifference to aborigine culture (or what's left of it). He went to Arnhem Land and the Kimberly and was astounded to be shown cave paintings from tens of thousands of years ago by guys who could actually tell him what they meant, thanks to their initiations by their fathers and grandfathers. He pointed out this was as amazing as going to the Lascaux paintings in France and having the local pig farmer able to tell you what they mean because his grandfather passed on the knowledge from 20,000 years ago.

I'll have too look it up. The fact is we don't know how long our dreamtime (for a lack of a better English word, it isn't a accurate very translation) been around. It's older than the Torah, Bible and Qu'ran combined, but it's changed so little I can understand rock art from hundreds if not thousands of years ago.

I only noticed you had joined TWC a few days ago, but let me welcome you now brother. We had a few weird conversations leading up to the last election from racists, bigots and Hansonite clowns and it's damn good to have you aboard.

They're funny. But a dangerous funny.

I'm planning some posts in the Vestigia Vestustais forum about the Tasmanian Aborigines and the "Black War" of the 1820-30s. You might be interested in those posts.

A dark day in Australian history. I know a bit about Tasmanian aboriginals.

[Richard]

I saw a documentary (or perhaps it was a piece on 60 Minutes or something, can't remember) that highlighted the differences in the way different countries in the Anglosphere have treated their indigenous peoples and it was really apparent that aborigines had a recieved a VERY raw deal compared to the native American peoples, Maori, Canadian First Nations peoples, Inuit etc. Though some of the Canadian groups weren't doing particularly well either which is quite ironic considering Canada's standing in those international "best place to live" reports based on Human Development index and all that. I suppose a case could be made for the indigenous populations of the Carribean being the worst case considering there's none of them left, but that sort of disqualifies them from this discussion.

[Burnum]

I saw a documentary (or perhaps it was a piece on 60 Minutes or something, can't remember) that highlighted the differences in the way different countries in the Anglosphere have treated their indigenous peoples and it was really apparent that aborigines had a recieved a VERY raw deal compared to the native American peoples, Maori, Canadian First Nations peoples, Inuit etc. Though some of the Canadian groups weren't doing particularly well either which is quite ironic considering Canada's standing in those international "best place to live" reports based on Human Development index and all that. I suppose a case could be made for the indigenous populations of the Carribean being the worst case considering there's none of them left, but that sort of disqualifies them from this discussion.

Canada has some pretty good ideas for aboriginal people.

[Richard]

I got the impression from it that overall indigenous Canadians got better treatment than aborigines in Australia but not as well as indigenous people in NZ and the US.