should gangs be considered domestic terrorist groups?

[Gelgoog]

they effectively control through fear, murder and all kinds of illegal activities and are becoming a vast problem. latin supergangs are forming and being controlled by mafia groups which pollute our streets. why do we tollerate this filth.

if they were to be considered terrorist groups, that would give the govt new grounds to really enforce and crack down on these people.

[Sleeper]

Quite an idea. You might be surprised how much leeway RICO gives the gov.

[Da Skinna]

It would probably put the real bad people away, the real ****ers Americans fear in a lot more tangible way than they do the terrorists in Pakistan and Iraq and wherever.

Then if we dumped these stupid drug laws and revamped this War on Drugs to make sense, then we could definitely hurt the people that hurt us a lot more than angry Muslims..

[Burnum]

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[Rhinosaur]

they effectively control through fear, murder and all kinds of illegal activities and are becoming a vast problem. latin supergangs are forming and being controlled by mafia groups which pollute our streets. why do we tollerate this filth.

if they were to be considered terrorist groups, that would give the govt new grounds to really enforce and crack down on these people.

Not unless they commit terrorism (real terrorism, not being bad people). The biggest problem with all these new anti terrorism laws they keep passing is people getting ideas about who else the laws can be used against, like what you are doing with this thread. Domestic policing is fine without giving the government incredible powers to protect us from "latin supergangs" or shark attacks or whatever other scary thing is making news lately.

[mongrel]

Or should terrorists be treated as criminals, the same way Britain treated the IRA?

[Rhinosaur]

Or should terrorists be treated as criminals, the same way Britain treated the IRA?

Now there's a novel idea.

[the_mango55]

No, because they aren't terrorists. They don't commit crimes to influence thinking or change policy, they do it to make money.

[Gelgoog]

No, because they aren't terrorists. They don't commit crimes to influence thinking or change policy, they do it to make money.

and yet gangs like MS-13 are already on terrorist watch lists...hmmmm

kidnapping, human trafficing, organized assasinations, money laundering, drugs....seems pretty close to terrorism to me. oh and no one does these things just for money, they do it for power. saying organized crime has no political goals might mean that JFK would have never become president.

[Jabberwock]

kidnapping, human trafficing, organized assasinations, money laundering, drugs....seems pretty close to terrorism to me. oh and no one does these things just for money, they do it for power. saying organized crime has no political goals might mean that JFK would have never become president.

Money creates the power. All the things you have listed has to do with money. Also, MS-13 is nothing like the Mafia, which JFK would have been referring to. MS-13 is a huge pseudo-organized street gang with members from low-income communities which they never leave from, all they have on their mind is money.

[Da Skinna]

Wait wait wait


When the **** did we define 'terrorist'?

[Lunar4]

Wait wait wait


When the **** did we define 'terrorist'?

We didn't. That's the problem, because now anything can be justified as "Terrorism"... meaning no more Habeus Corpus if they call you a terrorist. You dont even get a trial to defend yourself.

[Burnum]

We didn't. That's the problem, because now anything can be justified as "Terrorism"... meaning no more Habeus Corpus if they call you a terrorist. You dont even get a trial to defend yourself.

They still can't suspend Habeas corpus because you have too be declared an Enemy combatant and only be declared an enemy if fulfill certain criteria. The American government is incompetent not evil.

[Haqiq]

I think terrorist is kinda like attcking the government directly. But yeah, gang should be terrorist as they fit the word terror-ist. They steal, kill, rape and create havoc in society.

But most government don't want to label them as terrorist as even politician sought gang help when the time comes.

[Axeman]

Honestly lets not get into a position about how gangs do it and why, none of us here are qualified to make that statement despite watching an episode of "Gangland" on the history channel, now...

They should be categorized as terrorists, but not ALL gangs, yeah they generally are a bad thing, but lets target the serious ones that engage in human traficing, murder, and other serious offenses.

This is a good thread, a good thread with a good point I haven't seen here in a LONG time, lets keep it that way ok?

[Sidmen]

But terrorists are people who do specific things for specific reasons, you can't group people that don't do those things for those reasons into that group. Doing so would broaden the scope, and once you start doing that you start down a slippery slope.

After all, if gangs are terrorist groups, wouldn't criminals just be lone terrorists.

[wilting]

I'm lost by this topic. "Domestic terrorist groups" should be considered criminals and so should gangs. :hmmm:

[12345abcd3]

if they were to be considered terrorist groups, that would give the govt new grounds to really enforce and crack down on these people.

If you would to have new grounds to crack down on gangs and supergangs then couldn't you just pass a law which gives the police more power against gangs? If you think they are as bad as terrorists wouldn't it be better to give the police more powers against gangs instead of waiting till they notice a gang growing ad call it a terrorist group?

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[Chaigidel]

yes

[removeduser_426582376423734]

if gangs are terrorist groups, wouldn't criminals just be lone terrorists.