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    Rarely do we find public discussions of a well documented sociological tendency:

    The non urban middle and working class distrust of big cities. To those of us that leave our place of birth for a more urban environment, this reality may have never come to our attention, however, the vast majority of people really do die within a few miles of where they were born. One of the primary motivating factors behind this phenomenon is distrust/fear of cities.

    In the United States we have many "cities" that should not be considered, as they are really glorified towns in underpopulated states who wish to pretend they are as progressive or intellectually important as other urban environments. The cities to think of to make things easy are coastal and port cities. New York, Los Angeles and Chicago are the best examples for my coming argument.

    While it is likely that many factors contribute to this fear of cities, I contend that the key element is this: Cities should be feared for they are basically concentrated power centers.

    Economics - Aside from the obvious wealth the cities produce, almost every economic consideration in an industrialized economy is based on cities whims or locations. From roadways to jobs to actual physical wealth, any city in the world, if properly motivated, could destroy any non city with relative ease (and it has happened and still happens).
    Money and power are the same word.

    Commodities - Though very few commodities come from cities, cities are where they all end up. For Americans, the tomato provides a fine example. A few years ago many of us will remember there was a terrible tomato shortage. During the crisis, not a single urban fast food restaurant ran out of tomatos, while many fast food franchises in communities which actually grew tomatos were tomatoless.

    Other Resources or Services - Who here lives near a major bookstore (Borders, B&N or their likenesses) Leave an city or its outgrowth and those stores disappear. Same thing goes for electronics and anything else you can think of, including medicines and treatments. Denizens of cities are not only able to tap into more powerful communities, they are have access to far more resources, granting them additional power of non urbanites.

    Acceptable Social Behaviors - I think it silly to say more than this concerning social development; everything from trends to fashions to etc emanates from urban environments with rare exceptions.

    Intellectual beliefs - While many people, primarily academics, like to rationalize that intellectual thought and progress is centered in their hallowed halls, the stark truth is this is so only if those halls reside in an urban landscape. Almost every intellectual movement from ancient to modern history has been born in the minds or minds of urban denizens. Universities are simply where such leaps are labeled and endlessly analyzed. One is hard pressed to name an intellectual movement that was started at any learning center, ever and the few that do come to mind were almost always begun by outcasts of the current academic systems.


    So what am I saying, I don't really know beyond this is something worth taking a look at, and whoever you imagine you are, if you ain't looking at skyscrapers every day, you ain't the hero, villain or sidekick of any story, just a periphery, and ultimately unnecessary player.

    Happy 2008

    Ty
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    Umm... how about no...

    Yes, they are the center of economics, but both urban and non-urban regions contribute to society. Newton created his work on physics in a rural environment, Washington came from the country as did most of the leaders of the Revolutionary movement in the US.

    Furthermore cities cannot survive without the support of rural communities. Try dairy farming in NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    Umm... how about no...

    Yes, they are the center of economics, but both urban and non-urban regions contribute to society. Newton created his work on physics in a rural environment, Washington came from the country as did most of the leaders of the Revolutionary movement in the US.
    Even while escaping to work this sideline in physics but really to hide his alchemy from those he thought would steal it, where did Newton spend the majority of his life, both working and personal...... someway near the Thames.

    Where did the money and soldiers that made the revolution possible come from, and where did those who were angry about taxes, the overwhelming reason behind the revolution reside?

    Washington is about as important to American history as De Gaulle, before the post WW2 era, is to French.


    Furthermore cities cannot survive without the support of rural communities. Try dairy farming in NYC.
    While I do not disagree that serfs where essential to the medieval system, I do not think any would disagree that they were/are virtually powerless.

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    Your average city-dweller is just as powerless/powerful (I don't underestimate people) as your average Rural Joe.

    And Rural Joe doesn't fear cities, he's just happy where he's at.
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    Modern day the rural areas provide a good deal of the soldiers in the military, nearly all the food, and usually has a higher High School graduation rate.

    And Washington is the single most important figure in US history, Jefferson was also a rural farmer too. Don't forget Patton came from the country, as did Omar Bradley, George Marshall, Eisenhower from a tiny city (22,000 people today), and FDR were all born and raised in non major cities.

    You're article is simply an attempt at self-aggrandizement to make yourself seem better than others since you grew up in a major city. In truth both cities and non-cities were just as important to history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    Modern day the rural areas provide a good deal of the soldiers in the military, nearly all the food, and usually has a higher High School graduation rate.

    And Washington is the single most important figure in US history, Jefferson was also a rural farmer too. Don't forget Patton came from the country, as did Omar Bradley, George Marshall, Eisenhower from a tiny city (22,000 people today), and FDR were all born and raised in non major cities.

    You're article is simply an attempt at self-aggrandizement to make yourself seem better than others since you grew up in a major city. In truth both cities and non-cities were just as important to history.
    We should prolly ignore it. A person's need to feel superior is pretty sad once it reaches the point of "I live here, so I'm better."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    Modern day the rural areas provide a good deal of the soldiers in the military, nearly all the food, and usually has a higher High School graduation rate.
    Exactly.


    And Washington is the single most important figure in US history, Jefferson was also a rural farmer too. Don't forget Patton came from the country, as did Omar Bradley, George Marshall, Eisenhower from a tiny city (22,000 people today), and FDR were all born and raised in non major cities.
    Yes they all were. What exactly does this have to do with what I am saying?



    You're article is simply an attempt at self-aggrandizement to make yourself seem better than others since you grew up in a major city. In truth both cities and non-cities were just as important to history.
    Born and bred in York, Penn. Population: 40,000
    Currently Residing in: Bethany Bay, DE. Population: Year-round, maybe 4,000

    If you do feel like responding with your intellect, feel free and I would love to further discuss.
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    I know a rural joe who isn't that fond of the city, Relkin the Raider.
    according to exarch I am like
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    You have a valid point, Sleeper. Although the place of origin really doesn't matter, I just prefer the big skyscrapers very much over the dairy farms; I feel myself in a far more dynamic environment, and I do agree that cities are a common point in the distribution of anything, from supplies and ideas; and epidemics, too. Merely for the reason that crowded centers have a larger share of communitarian and human contact, and far more diverse ideas spreading fast than in the sparsely inhabited rural country. Urban citizens also tend to be far more liberal than rural inhabitants, because of this inherent diversity, too.
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    Cancer may be more likely in cities, but so is sex, coffe and conversation. Thank you, Dylan.

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    I prefer rural regions for a couple reasons:

    1. I like open space.
    2. I can't drive in heavy traffic.
    3. I like knowing a good amount of the people in my town.
    4. I am famous locally and could get away with murder.

    However, I love visiting large cities, just wouldn't want to live there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    I prefer rural regions for a couple reasons:

    1. I like open space.
    2. I can't drive in heavy traffic.
    3. I like knowing a good amount of the people in my town.
    4. I am famous locally and could get away with murder.

    However, I love visiting large cities, just wouldn't want to live there.
    I love rural areas, too, but I simply find the country quite a little boring for a while. The pace isn't the same, people are slow, and everytime I've went to the fields I notice a big pattern of conservative ideals. People just don't know what's happening outside their little towns, sometimes, so I feel an intelectual emptiness after a while.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    I love rural areas, too, but I simply find the country quite a little boring for a while. The pace isn't the same, people are slow, and everytime I've went to the fields I notice a big pattern of conservative ideals. People just don't know what's happening outside their little towns, sometimes, so I feel an intelectual emptiness after a while.
    The average urbanite doesn't know what happens outside their city. In truth most people don't know anything beyond what affects their day to day.

    To sleeper: In a town of 2,000 people it isn't hard to be well known .

    Anyways my point is it isn't really a fear or hatred of urban areas, rahter a preference of people. Both urban and rural areas are important as I've state time and time again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    The average urbanite doesn't know what happens outside their city. In truth most people don't know anything beyond what affects their day to day.
    Though in the average city it is nearly impossible not to be confronted with things outside of one's box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    The average urbanite doesn't know what happens outside their city. In truth most people don't know anything beyond what affects their day to day.
    I have to disagree with you in this aspect: I find people are much more informed of what's happening outside and inside, and usually have a lot more to discuss rather than the basic country gossip about the lives of close people and friends. Although ignorance is inevitable, sometimes.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    I have to disagree with you in this aspect: I find people are much more informed of what's happening outside and inside, and usually have a lot more to discuss rather than the basic country gossip about the lives of close people and friends. Although ignorance is inevitable, sometimes.
    You got to know who to talk to. Politics may be a less taboo subject in the cities, I grew up and lived most of my life in a small town, and most of the people know a passable amount on world affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    I have to disagree with you in this aspect: I find people are much more informed of what's happening outside and inside, and usually have a lot more to discuss rather than the basic country gossip about the lives of close people and friends. Although ignorance is inevitable, sometimes.
    From my perspective this seems like quite a baseless comment. Within any cross section of a population you have a broad mix of IQ's, introspectiveness and a broad range of information awareness and ignorance. Your experience of the city will have more to do with your social circle than with the general demographic.

    In my own personal experience working close to a city in a very large commercial town I meet about the most ignorant people it is possible to meet being one of the most (how to put it) "deprived" areas of England.

    In contrast there is the country village where I grew up where the average cross section would reveal a wealthier group, with a much higher level of education and naturally I would assume this would; and did in my experience correlate with a more aware and intellectual population.

    I don't doubt that there is a psychological fear of cities but there is no reason to exrapolate that to try and pass some sort of judgement on one or the other. It is a purely subjective subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man With No Name View Post
    I prefer rural regions for a couple reasons:

    1. I like open space.
    2. I can't drive in heavy traffic.
    3. I like knowing a good amount of the people in my town.
    4. I am famous locally and could get away with murder.

    However, I love visiting large cities, just wouldn't want to live there.

    Very nice, I am also glad you did not, for instance, in #4, participate in the self-aggrandizement you accuse me of. While I too can appreciate all of your reasons, I do wonder what this has to do with my article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeper View Post
    Very nice, I am also glad you did not, for instance, in #4, participate in the self-aggrandizement you accuse me of. While I too can appreciate all of your reasons, I do wonder what this has to do with my article.
    At the same time, I wonder what your article has to do with middle class morality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    At the same time, I wonder what your article has to do with middle class morality.
    Excellent. To engender further discussion and due to my relative inexperience in this area of the forums, I felt it best to come to that only if there was interest, because, unfortunately, my next paragraph will no doubt be met with passion.

    I might say that much of the distrust/fear is instilled and maintained through the use of the morality which is more and more commonly seen as the "opiate of the middle classes." While middle class morality, which tends to disappear or rather achieve a more pragmatic perspective when one gets closer to higher levels of wealth, is no doubt one of the linchpins of the middle classes that crosses geographical boundaries, it is also the prison in which the development of their intellects, and far more importantly, their openness to consider new or alarming ideas is stifled. It is not a coincidence that the higher one goes in education, the less inhibitions one typically has in attempting to grow beyond that which they were raised.

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