How to upgrade cities (bug?)

[Chaotix27]

Hello, everyone. I've been here for a while, just never got around to posting. I keep trying to play stainless steel (i have 5.0 now, in the process of downloading 5.1) but whenever i get to a point where i should be able to upgrade a city or castle (i.e. large town to minor city), the wall upgrade is not there, and neither is the notice in the settlement's overview explaining when I can upgrade it. Is this some sort of bug, or is it intended? I did have SS downloaded with 5.1 last month, but I uninstalled it for this same reason.

[delra]

Maybe your city is losing citizens before you manage to build the wall. Maybe you have your messages all wrong due to corrupt installation...

Let's wait till you have 5.1+hotfix#1.

[Chaotix27]

It's definitely not the citizens- I've had a test city with over 7000 and still not able to upgrade. As for a corrupt installation, is it likely for that to happen twice? [sigh] It'll be a while b4 I have 5.1- my computer's taking an hour to download it.

[CharlesMarkley]

It's definitely not the citizens- I've had a test city with over 7000 and still not able to upgrade. As for a corrupt installation, is it likely for that to happen twice? [sigh] It'll be a while b4 I have 5.1- my computer's taking an hour to download it.

Did you make any changes to descr_strat.txt for the city in question?

Mark

[Chaotix27]

Well, I installed 5.1 and I still have the same problem. I can't upgrade any city once it's reached the right population (it also doesn't show the # of people needed anymore in the settlement's construction scroll under the taxes). I'm gonna try the hotfix now. And no, I haven't made any changes in descr_strat.

[Chaotix27]

I'm confused as to how exactly to install the hotfix... do I need a specific program to do it? I really have no knowledge of computers besides basic stuff and text files.

[CharlesMarkley]

Well, I installed 5.1 and I still have the same problem. I can't upgrade any city once it's reached the right population (it also doesn't show the # of people needed anymore in the settlement's construction scroll under the taxes). I'm gonna try the hotfix now. And no, I haven't made any changes in descr_strat.

Okay, the reason that I asked is that I DID make changes when I first got the vanilla MTWII descr_strat.txt and I made cities bigger, but didn't change their population or city category, and thus doomed them to stay the way that they were forever...forever...forever.

End dramatic sequence.

Mark

[Echad]

My took six...

[Chaotix27]

I'll check it in the morning, I guess. It's like 12 where I am and I'm tired...
6 hours! wow, I thought i had a slow computer...

[Echad]

Comp isn't slow... Internet is.

[delra]

SS is heavier and heavier. I wonder if KK could start selling DVDs with it over the net.

[Fenix_120]

I know what your talking about, it does not say how many poeple you need to upgrade your city anywhere in game, I think you can find out by reading the desr_buildings file however.

[Fenix_120]

i just check and it does not say in the desr buildings file, sorry mate

[CharlesMarkley]

i just check and it does not say in the desr buildings file, sorry mate

It is in descr_settlement_mechanics.xml:

<population_levels>
<!--city -->
<level name = "village" base = "500" upgrade = "1000" min = "500" max = "1500"/>
<level name = "town" base = "1000" upgrade = "3000" min = "500" max = "5000"/>
<level name = "large_town" base = "3000" upgrade = "8000" min = "500" max = "12000"/>
<level name = "city" base = "8000" upgrade = "15000" min = "500" max = "25000"/>
<level name = "large_city" base = "15000" upgrade = "30000" min = "500" max = "60000"/>
<level name = "huge_city" base = "30000" min = "500" max = "120000"/>
<!--castle -->
<level name = "moot_and_bailey" base = "500" upgrade = "1000" min = "500" max = "1500"/>
<level name = "wooden_castle" base = "1000" upgrade = "2500" min = "500" max = "5000"/>
<level name = "castle" base = "2500" upgrade = "7500" min = "500" max = "12000"/>
<level name = "fortress" base = "7500" upgrade = "15000" min = "500" max = "25000"/>
<level name = "citadel" base = "15000" min = "500" max = "50000"/>
</population_levels>

Salud,

Mark

[Don in the North]

try upgrading your market building as far as it can go, most types of market are pre-requisites next to population for wall upgrades

[delra]

most types of market are pre-requisites next to population for wall upgrades

Are they?

[CharlesMarkley]

Are they?

I don't see that requirement in the EDU:

huge_stone_wall city requires factions { northern_european, mesoamerican, middle_eastern, eastern_european, greek, southern_european, }
{
capability
{
recruit_pool "Conquistadores" 1 0.5 5 0 requires factions { spain, portugal, } and hidden_resource america
recruit_pool "Dismounted Conquistadores" 1 0.7 5 0 requires factions { spain, portugal, } and hidden_resource america
recruit_pool "Swiss Guard" 1 0.5 5 0 requires factions { papal_states, }
recruit_pool "Aztec Spearmen" 1 0.7 6 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Aztec Archers" 1 0.7 6 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Aztec Spear Throwers" 1 0.5 4 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Aztec Warriors" 1 0.7 6 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Jaguar Warriors" 1 0.5 4 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Eagle Warriors" 1 0.5 4 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Cuahchiqueh" 1 0.4 3 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Coyote Priests" 1 0.4 3 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Arrow Warriors" 1 0.4 3 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
recruit_pool "Aztec Bodyguard" 1 0.34 1 0 requires factions { aztecs, }
wall_level 4
tower_level 1
gate_strength 5
free_upkeep bonus 6
happiness_bonus bonus 3
law_bonus bonus 4
recruitment_slots 5
}
material stone
construction 6
cost 12000
settlement_min large_city
upgrades
{
}
}
}
plugins
{
}
}

Only the minimum being a population size for a large city.

Salud,

Mark

[Don in the North]

well im not 100% certain but definatly 90%+ certain that markets are required, as in my experience ive often had populations overflowing the upgrade point by 1000-5000 and id get no choice of stone wall upgrade so id just ignore it and build other stuff mainly market places, and those councillor chambers buildings, so its in my experience that markets are the prerequisite although it is probable that there are more buildings required than just market upgrades

[delra]

You're making this up.

[Chim]

He is.
If it is not in the code it is not there in the game, simple as that.