Hungarian Battlefield Assassins

[Exarch]

has any1 ever used these ppl, who seem like Arcanii from rome?
and are they hisotrically accurate?
how would u use them?
and dont jsut say 'in ambushes' how specifically?

[pwijnands]

I think you can use them to gain quick access to walls by having them equip a ladder and placing them as far away from your main force as possible. Then drop the ram, making them go into hiding. When the battle starts, pick them up and run them towards the walls.

[Pyrebound]

I havent played has hungary so i havent used them, but i have used hashashims.

I think they are good in sieges when defending, on the walls, as they are very good in 1v1 vs infantry, and dont take much space on the walls due to the small unit size. Also, if you place them on your flanks bit further away from your line, they could charge on the backs of the enemy from there if left undetected.

[Exarch]

hmm, interesting tactics ppl
might give it a try.
funny how the hungarians have 'battlefield assassins'
are they based on a real hisotrical unit?

[Razbojnik]

hmm, interesting tactics ppl
might give it a try.
funny how the hungarians have 'battlefield assassins'
are they based on a real hisotrical unit?

Yeah,but not really Hungarian,but Serbian.Go to wikipedia and read about Battle of Kosovo(1389).Serbian knight killed the Turkish sultan,and after that Hungarian and Serbian kings created the Battlefield Assasin unit in glory of that knight.The task of the unit was to kill the succeding turkish sultans.

[Exarch]

Yeah,but not really Hungarian,but Serbian.Go to wikipedia and read about Battle of Kosovo(1389).Serbian knight killed the Turkish sultan,and after that Hungarian and Serbian kings created the Battlefield Assasin unit in glory of that knight.The task of the unit was to kill the succeding turkish sultans.

thanx razbojnik
i followed the link to wiki but couldnt find more about the battlefield assassins
would u happen to know any more links to the battlefield assassins?

[Razbojnik]

thanx razbojnik
i followed the link to wiki but couldnt find more about the battlefield assassins
would u happen to know any more links to the battlefield assassins?

Search for Battle of Kosovo in 1389,and Serbian king Stefan Lazarevic.I can tell you something...The night before the battle with the Turks,Serbian emperor Lazar organized a dinner.All Serbian nobles and knights came to the dinner.On the dinner,a noble called Vuk Brankovic,accused the greatest Serbian knight,Milosh Obilic of being betrayer,and said that he will change the sides on the battle tommorow.Obilic denied that,and said that the truth will be revealed tommorow.On the day of the battle,Obilic surrendered to the Turks,which took him to their sultan's tent,Sultan Murad ordered Obilic to bow before him and kiss his shoe,Obilic bowed,grabbed the knife that he had hidden,and slayed Murad.Both leaders,Serbian and Turkish died that day,and Lazar's son,Stefan,became king of Serbia and later Turkish vassal.In 15. century,Hungarian and Serbian kings organized crusades against the Turks,and they founded Battlefield Assasins unit,in Obilic's honor,to kill succeding Turkish sultans.Serbian king was like the Grand Master of that unit.I hope i helped

[JCeasar_911]

wow thats interesting

[Surgeon]

Hm, haven't used these guys much. Are they basically like Hashashims with 2 hitpoints and similar stats? Hashashims are one of he most powerful melee infantry in game. I have sometimes grossly underestimated what one squad of these guys is capable of, and at other times pulled off stunning victories thanks to them.

Anyhow, I found that they are quite useful when taking out pesky mounted archers. Place them well ahead of your army so that they hide, in between the mounted missiles and yourself. When the enemy missiles gallop towards you, they will often not have time to retreat when the Hashashims/Assassins pop up and charge them.

[General Maximus]

Well, I have used these assassins against Faction Heir of Poland!
They are a very nice units, who can hide everywhere. I put them in the nearby forests, marched them straight to the rear of the Polish army, and attacked their General (he lost his morale and fled the field with only 2 men remaining).

I use them everytime I can get them, as they are EXTREMELY FEARSOME and powerful. They are good for laying powerful traps, and going beside their army and attacking in the rear (where their General usually stands).

[shikaka]

has any1 ever used these ppl, who seem like Arcanii from rome?
and are they hisotrically accurate?
how would u use them?
and dont jsut say 'in ambushes' how specifically?

For hungary, they are not accurate, I find this a childish idea.

To be honest the hungarian roster is especially inaccurate with
- Transylvanian peasants (if this mimics the peasant uprising forces, why transylvanian?)
- dismounted knights (nobles were too arrogant for this! Hungarian infantry was always slaughtered when the cavalry failed - and let them behind)
- croat axemen/bosnian archer (croats and boshians, as well as germans, serbians, wallachians, etc.) fought in the hun army, but not in ethnic units. The croats should have been represented as a different shield (with the chessboard flag or the 3 golden leopard heads) on their shields in regular units.


Battlefield assasins: you need a minor city for the guild. But why would you use them as Hungary? you will most likely field only magyar cavalry + general armies, the assasins would only slow you down. Maybe in siege defense...

I think the reason for the unit is the frequent raiding and ambushes done by the hungarian infantry. This was especially common when Hungary got the ottomans as neighbour...

[Exarch]

interesting, and boy i havent seen this thread in ages!
might give hungary a try after this then, and this is coming from someone who likes to use hungary as a vassal/buffer state to the mongols.

@General Maximus
the problem i find with using the Assassin in the way you've offered is that most times the enemy Generals stay to the rear until they reach ur lines and then they charge!

[micheljq]

I don't see what Hashashims or battlefield assassins have to do with history. Hashashims were a feared sect who did exist during the time of the crusades. They were effectively very good assassins, but this has nothing to do with a battlefield unit and their assassinate attempts were not occurring during battles. Still a fun unit in game though.

As for the serbs, the night before the Battle of Kosovo I remember the commander of the Ottomans was assassinated by a Serb leader, who was killed on the spot too. The Ottoman leader was replaced and they did have a major victory over the Serbs anyway the following day. Anyway the Ottoman leader was assassinated I think in his tent because he gave an audience to the Serb leader, the Serb drew a dagger he had hidden and killed him. Again, nothing to do with a battlefield unit.

Edit : This version (the assassination in the tent) I had this from a serious TV channel here in Canada. Then, I checked different sources on the web. It's confusing some say that the Ottoman Sultan Murad 1st was killed the day after the battle by a serb when walking on the battlefield, other claim that the Sultan was killed during the battle during the initial charge of the Serb and their allies's cavalry charge, which was very powerful, breaking the left flank and making quite a mess in the center also.

[Silverheart]

Interesting history lesson here ^::^
Let´s just remember that this is a game, and should not be taken TOO seriously as a source of information (A little like the History Channel - worthwhile, but shouldn´t be relied upon)

As for Battlefield assasins(and Hashashims), I use them mainly as normal heavy infantry, because they certainly have the skill to cut their way through most other units. It´s generally a good idea to have cheaper units in front of them to absorb the enemys´ charge before sending them in.
I once sent 3 units of Hashashims (90 men) to attack a rebel village, crawling with about 700 light infantry/skirmishers, alone, and they won with only 1/3 casualties. They are also great at defending walls and attacking in the second wave (and of course, ambushes).

[General Maximus]

Well, yesterday I played a battle with Byzantines, and I had a unit of Assassins. The terrain was mainly forest and a road in the middle, so I deployed my Assassins in the woods near road. When the Byzantine army started marching, they put some peasants on their left flank. When they came near my Assassins, I charged on the peasants, but they lost morale just by seeing them and fled. Their spearmen unit also fled with them. Just then my whole army emerged from the forest and charged so suddenly that they lost 13 of their units. I put my assassins in the rear and enemy general is dead.

[Il Medico]

Well, yesterday I played a battle with Byzantines, and I had a unit of Assassins. The terrain was mainly forest and a road in the middle, so I deployed my Assassins in the woods near road. When the Byzantine army started marching, they put some peasants on their left flank. When they came near my Assassins, I charged on the peasants, but they lost morale just by seeing them and fled. Their spearmen unit also fled with them. Just then my whole army emerged from the forest and charged so suddenly that they lost 13 of their units. I put my assassins in the rear and enemy general is dead.

Haha. I call that "Roman Tactics", as I first developed the 'hide your whole army and scare the living hell out of the enemy army at the last minute' tactics when playing as the Western Roman Empire in Barbarian Invasion and I had horde after horde of units bearing down. I couldn't produce enough guy to defeat them in a fair fight, so I used surprise to scare a way most of their army and kill the better units who stayed behind. By the time the lighter units stopped fleeing, their good units were dead and they had lost their number advantage, thus lambs to the slaughter. Four hordes died that way. Huns, Goths, Vandals, and Franks.

[General Maximus]

Yeah! This tactic is good if you are to take the enemy army with surprise. It forces the enemy to a sudden change of plan, and this is the best opportunity to attack.
I am playing Darth mod with hardest difficulty. So sometimes enemy knows that I am using Assassins. And he moves in such way that I can't even dare to move my Assassins near him.

[happy01]

Hungarian Battlefield Assassins are the descendants or remnants of Hashishin.
Hungary really employed them as mercenary but thanks to inquisition and Mongols they are eradicated
Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

sorry for necro post

[thoran]

Hungarian Battlefield Assassins are the descendants or remnants of Hashishin.
Hungary really employed them as mercenary but thanks to inquisition and Mongols they are eradicated
Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassins

sorry for necro post

did not know that. cool

[General Maximus]

Well I guess that they were used by Cuman Khanate, so there is a complete possibility that they are descendants of Hashhashin.