A question to religous bods round here

[Jubal_Barca]

Ok. In many major religions it is stated that you should follow that religion to achieve eternal peace/rest/happiness/life/sex and so on, and to this end many Christians (other religions too but Christians have most history of it) spend time trying to convince people to follow God who will absolve thier sins and send them to heaven.

What I want to know is, how many of you believe, honestly, deeply and truly, that Atheists like myself will spend eternity in hell?

As far as this goes, i do follow the majority of the Bible's teachings in terms of that I wish for peace, goodwill to all men, love one another and so on, In fact I lead a pretty goodly life compared to the vast majority of people who live around me. I just don't believe in God, Jesus, Miracles, and so on and so forth.

In fact I know several Christians who regularly get drunk, smoke weed and even have sex underage, so it seems kind of wierd that they seem to be higher in the Heaven selection process than myself or other good Atheists.

Ok then, your views?

[Sidmen]

I'll give you the same answer I got..

You go to hell, because you havn't accepted jesus into your heart as your one true savior and lord. There is no distinction between good people and bad people in christendom's heaven, just believers and non.

[Jubal_Barca]

Well the fact is that if that's the case, WHAT THE HELL WAS THE WHOLE COMMANDMENTS **** ABOUT MAN? :hmmm:

[Richard]

Burn in hell, Dalai Lama and Ghandi! Thine unwashed heathens!

[iudas]

My R.E. teacher said skeptics (i.e., non-Christians) don't necessarily go to hell just for that. Only skeptics who have seen the might of Jesus our lord (hallelujah) and haven't accepted it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

My R.E. teacher said skeptics (i.e., non-Christians) don't necessarily go to hell just for that. Only skeptics who have seen the might of Jesus our lord (hallelujah) and haven't accepted it.

Ha!

"Sir! What happens to the billions of people that don't know that Jesus loves them?"

"Eternal torture in the bowels of Hell."

[Dayman]

Ha!

"Sir! What happens to the billions of people that don't know that Jesus loves them?"

"Eternal torture in the bowels of Hell."

I am reminded of the South Park movie.

"Heaven: Population 450"

"Hell: Population 8,423,214,205... 8,423,214,520... 8,423,218,600...etc"

[Richard]

My R.E. teacher said skeptics (i.e., non-Christians) don't necessarily go to hell just for that. Only skeptics who have seen the might of Jesus our lord (hallelujah) and haven't accepted it.

Alright, that means pretty much all sceptics are safe then, considering no one has seen the might of Jesus our Lord for 2 millenia.

[Jubal_Barca]

Well I've read the bible, if that counts...

[Sidmen]

WHAT THE HELL WAS THE WHOLE COMMANDMENTS **** ABOUT MAN?

You should be aware that the commandments were for the jews, and were kinda brought over by the church midway through. Everything can be forgiven in Christianity, even a double rape/murder, so long as the person asks for forgiveness and accepts that jesus died for his sins.

On the other hand, people like us who have heard of jesus but still don't believe - eternal torture, no matter how nice of a person you are.

[Ummon]

The failure to pursue the completion of a certain series of passages will cause negative effects which may be described as hell, but this labeling is absolutely vague in its meaning.

[Blau&Gruen]

L'enfer, c'est les Autres.*(Jean-Paul Sartre).

Though, the Other with a face is a chance to conceive Heavens.





*Hell is other people.

[basics]

Unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. That is unless there is a complete change of nature no man, good or bad, can enter heaven and that includes the religious.

However the good news is that the depths of one's old nature is no barrier to God changing the holder, and it does take God to do this, not man himself, but the holder must be in a position of seeking that which he cannot do himself.

In other words the seeker or holder has come to the bottom of the well as it were with no hope beyond an act of God to bring relief to a heart broken soul. This is what is meant by the righteousness of God being revealed.

The seeker has found no help within the world but help is at hand as God reveals His Son and Saviour to the seeker. Despair is about to be replaced by something quite wonderful even though at that moment or these moments the hopeless one is not aware of it.

By the Son who Himself was mocked, laughed at and suffered worse at the hand of the world, the seeker can now be sealed by the blood approved by God to alleviate all suffering within that person and not only that but bring him or her into the community of God Himself.

They become in a flash a new creation in Christ Jesus, the old gone and the new in place, all in the time it takes to switch on the light. That is all it takes God to change forever them that fall short of His glory and even better it is His promise to all that seek Him.

But that is not religion because the religious have rules and traditions that they must follow that amount to no more than works never demanded by God. Religion can be seen by it's wealth, it's ceremonies and it's hierarchy but not so the elect who are only discerned by their fruit.

Their language is primarily all about Jesus, of how He saved them and what He does in their lives. He alone is the only banner they carry in this world and because as He is no longer of this world neither are they. They belong to a better place.

So, in answer to your question, all that are not a new creation in Jesus Christ will spend eternity apart from God and those who live with Him. The Bible describes that as living and eternal torment which applies from death on this planet. There isn't a place where that may be altered as the day of salvation is today.

[Dayman]

Unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. That is unless there is a complete change of nature no man, good or bad, can enter heaven and that includes the religious.

However the good news is that the depths of one's old nature is no barrier to God changing the holder, and it does take God to do this, not man himself, but the holder must be in a position of seeking that which he cannot do himself.

In other words the seeker or holder has come to the bottom of the well as it were with no hope beyond an act of God to bring relief to a heart broken soul. This is what is meant by the righteousness of God being revealed.

The seeker has found no help within the world but help is at hand as God reveals His Son and Saviour to the seeker. Despair is about to be replaced by something quite wonderful even though at that moment or these moments the hopeless one is not aware of it.

By the Son who Himself was mocked, laughed at and suffered worse at the hand of the world, the seeker can now be sealed by the blood approved by God to alleviate all suffering within that person and not only that but bring him or her into the community of God Himself.

They become in a flash a new creation in Christ Jesus, the old gone and the new in place, all in the time it takes to switch on the light. That is all it takes God to change forever them that fall short of His glory and even better it is His promise to all that seek Him.

But that is not religion because the religious have rules and traditions that they must follow that amount to no more than works never demanded by God. Religion can be seen by it's wealth, it's ceremonies and it's hierarchy but not so the elect who are only discerned by their fruit.

Their language is primarily all about Jesus, of how He saved them and what He does in their lives. He alone is the only banner they carry in this world because as He is no longer of this world neither are they. They belong to a better place.

So, in answer to your question, all that are not a new creation in Jesus Christ will spend eternity apart from God and those who live with Him. The Bible describes that as living and eternal torment which applies from death on this planet. There isn't a place where that may be altered as the day of salvation is today.

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[Jubal_Barca]

Unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. That is unless there is a complete change of nature no man, good or bad, can enter heaven and that includes the religious.

However the good news is that the depths of one's old nature is no barrier to God changing the holder, and it does take God to do this, not man himself, but the holder must be in a position of seeking that which he cannot do himself.

In other words the seeker or holder has come to the bottom of the well as it were with no hope beyond an act of God to bring relief to a heart broken soul. This is what is meant by the righteousness of God being revealed.

The seeker has found no help within the world but help is at hand as God reveals His Son and Saviour to the seeker. Despair is about to be replaced by something quite wonderful even though at that moment or these moments the hopeless one is not aware of it.

By the Son who Himself was mocked, laughed at and suffered worse at the hand of the world, the seeker can now be sealed by the blood approved by God to alleviate all suffering within that person and not only that but bring him or her into the community of God Himself.

They become in a flash a new creation in Christ Jesus, the old gone and the new in place, all in the time it takes to switch on the light. That is all it takes God to change forever them that fall short of His glory and even better it is His promise to all that seek Him.

But that is not religion because the religious have rules and traditions that they must follow that amount to no more than works never demanded by God. Religion can be seen by it's wealth, it's ceremonies and it's hierarchy but not so the elect who are only discerned by their fruit.

Their language is primarily all about Jesus, of how He saved them and what He does in their lives. He alone is the only banner they carry in this world and because as He is no longer of this world neither are they. They belong to a better place.

So, in answer to your question, all that are not a new creation in Jesus Christ will spend eternity apart from God and those who live with Him. The Bible describes that as living and eternal torment which applies from death on this planet. There isn't a place where that may be altered as the day of salvation is today.

Questions;

a) So do you believe being good and whatnot is important at all?
b) With this 'salvation', is actual worship required?
c) If you've never heard of Jesus (imagine I'm from some amazon tribe who barely know the next tribe exists, let alone some guy from 2000 years ago, tribes like this do still exist) is it utterly impossible for me to find salvation, and if so how the hell do you explin the god loves us stuff?

[basics]

Jubal_Barca,

The commandments stand just as they always have so if any consider themselves ever to have completely kept them then the message is that they are indeed saved. But we know none ever have and the measure of how good or bad that has been is not governed by men but God.

So the Law, God's Law is that measure. Break one part of it and you have broken all or as good as for one break of any size or type means death in the eyes of God. So salvation is not about your position with the Law rather your position with God. That is as a Lawbreaker salvation is beyond you and any other.

Taking the last of your questions next, this has always bothered me that somewhere there are people who may well have never heard the Gospel so how would it be possible for them to be saved. To be honest I could say lots of things as explanation but I have to confess I don't personally know, yet rely on God Himself to ensure that this work is being done.

However on the other hand knowing that it is God who calls men and women out of all creeds and kinds I believe that He has Gospel preachers among those peoples simply because all must hear the Gospel even up until the eve of the last day in the life of this planet.

Finally the fruit of the Spirit that dwells in those regenerate is that they do worship as they tell of the wonderful works of Jesus Christ and what better way to worship is there other than to praise Him who saved them. I think this can be proved by the moans and groans that come from those on these threads who do not agree nor believe.

[Medicus]

If you've never heard of Jesus (imagine I'm from some amazon tribe who barely know the next tribe exists, let alone some guy from 2000 years ago, tribes like this do still exist) is it utterly impossible for me to find salvation, and if so how the hell do you explin the god loves us stuff?

Yes, if you apply the logic that unbelievers are bound for hell. Imagine the number of cavemen in hell...

Hate the sin, not the sinner, remember. It doesn't matter how good a person when it comes to heaven. You can sin all you want, but as long as you apologize and ask for forgiveness from God, you are going to heaven.

Gwen, you can't be serious. I doubt Hitler said "sorry" and was allowed entry to heaven. It can't be that simple.

If Allah created men to submit to him why did he wait tens of thousands of years of human history before he brought it up?

For the lulz.

Ultimately , if you knowingly deny God, you are sending yourself to Hell, not the other way around; God does not send people to Hell, they send themselves their (even unknowingly) for refusing God's merciful gift of salvation.

Nice. So if we doubt the big man in the sky, we're doomed to spend eternity in the pit that is bottomless. Thanks God.

God's like a bouncer at a nightclub, letting in the ugly girls only if they go down on him beforehand.

Boeing, you are so going to hell.

I'll look you up when I get there.

"Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

What kind of idiot actually suggests Abraham was a Christian?

And he certainly wasn't a Muslim, considering that he was born over a thousand years before Muhammad.

Mansa... only a fanatical muslim for a year. Phew, thank God it's just a teenage phase he's going through.

No, we must still respect him! Mansa knows the Truth(TM) - we must believe or Allah will smite us!

[Ummon]

L'enfer, c'est les Autres.*(Jean-Paul Sartre).

Though, the Other with a face is a chance to conceive Heavens.

*Hell is other people.

If I had been Sartre, I would have put it more like:

L'enfer, c'est être le sot que je suis.

Hell is being the (poor) sod I am.

But it isn't trendy like the other one, for sure.

I am reminded of the South Park movie.

"Heaven: Population 450"

"Hell: Population 8,423,214,205... 8,423,214,520... 8,423,218,600...etc"

Not anyone's fault if people do not cultivate their gardens. :wink:

But the numbers are overly pessimistic (and too little to portray past human population as well).

[Dayman]

But the numbers are overly pessimistic

Most people would suffer eternally according to Christianity, unless you don't take the Bible literally. I mean, even thinking about a woman is adultery.

[Ummon]

Most people would suffer eternally according to Christianity, unless you don't take the Bible literally. I mean, even thinking about a woman is adultery.

The previous Pope perhaps didn't take the Bible seriously: he even postulated that maybe, hell is empty.