Stupid Americas

**Tilarium** · December 25, 2007, 08:56 PM

This was mentioned in another post (read it this morning in my attempt to catch up) and thought it was deserving it's own post. Any chance the america's can be fixed? The America's part of the map is so horrible and as a function in the game, useless. Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing it go away and the spots it frees up used on better factions and adding new regions... personally I'd like to see Sicily get another region or two, some new ones added to Africa, maybe afew added to Scandinavia.... lots of options with the death of the americas.

As a personal part from me. Because I'm impatiant (And I assume others might want to know this) could anyone give me instructions on how to remove the america's myself, along with the american factions? I know how to add in new regions, but anyone point to a location to add in new factions?

Kyle

**gewehr36** · December 26, 2007, 06:37 PM

I'd like to see the Americas diminished completely and see more of Scandinavia added, not just new regions. Iceland, a better Greenland or even a better Vinland would also be good.

**ivanhoex** · December 26, 2007, 08:10 PM

i think that america is actually a nice feature when you get to high end technology, you have fought off your neighbours till you are doing the same battle over and over again... etc

if DLV were one of those mods that you can start from different eras, then america would likely being restricted to the end of the medieval times... that would allow to unlock some places in the europe of the older days that were somehow important at the time...

and also to free up some space in the "future", adding aztex and america but taking away things like koj...

the whole thing looks like a lot of work... but hey! at least if america is going to be killed because ppl dont like it, i had made my point here and it helps to avoid regret later

=)

cya!

**repman** · December 27, 2007, 08:20 AM

america will always be in DLV

repman

**Aeon`** · December 27, 2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by repman

america will always be in DLV

repman

Why that?

**Tilarium** · December 27, 2007, 04:26 PM

If it'll always be there can the map atleast get fixed so it looks right? I'm still interested in modding it out on my own if anyone can tell me how. Heck, I'll even just make it one HUGE region and use the freeded spaces for more regions in the old world!

**derdrakken** · January 12, 2008, 08:42 PM

It's a huge pain in the hinder to truncate the map from the west or south edges since the coordinate system has its origin in the SW corner. Every resource, army, princess, yada-yada, has to be remapped in descr_strat.txt (not to mention location-specific events like the Plague...oh hey, I mentioned 'em

).

Still, I was intrigued by the idea of a minimod that clipped off the Americas and used the freed up region slots to add more settlements in Europe.

I've got it up and running (still lots of files to update...but all the map files are done) with the Americas gone (see the minimap) and two new regions in Britain -- Exeter and Bristol. I'm thinking of adding another region in France, Sicily and in Poland. Let me know if there's interest in a Sans-America minimod, and I'll see what I can do. As Repman has said, DLV itself will always have the Americas.

Cheers! dd

Screenie:

**Tilarium** · January 13, 2008, 06:29 PM

Cheers to you, derdrakken! I can't speak for other but I'm very deifnitally in favor of this mini-mod. Might I make some suggestions for new areas? For England add in another area in Wales, south of Caernarvon. Italy, one new region on Sicily. One or two new areas in Spain and Portugal. One or two more in Africa might be nice aswell. Again, cheers for stepping up to try your hand at this!

Kyle

**Doge** · January 15, 2008, 12:52 AM

derdrakken, I like this idea very much. With America clipped off, will you expand the map eastward? It's one benefit of limiting the west of the map. If you don't plan to, you may as well just leave America in with no settlements (or maybe one settlement), so players who want to go hunt Aztecs (or take refuge!) still can.

Anyway, if you need help scripting the new regions, this is something I already did with my DLV 5.2 vanilla, so I might save some effort, if you want. I typically mod out the settlements in America (and a couple out of Ireland) and add the following:

To England:
Montgomery, Oxford
To France:
Lyon, Bourges, Limoges
To Italy:
Pavia, Benevento, Spoleto, Turino, Syracuse, Salerno
To Outremer:
Tripoli, Jaffa, Baalbek
Others:
Doryleum (asia minor), Belgrade (kingdom of servia)

Just some ideas.

**Valantine** · January 12, 2008, 09:30 PM

Whilst i find the Americas fustrating i don;t see what everyone's big problem is with it being there, yes its not historically accurate colonising it as early as 1200 but hey, just don;t got there if yo uwant to stay relatively accurate

I hate the fact the Aztecs are hugely over powered against anything bar gunpowder units(lots of them) but again, it stops you sweeping through and capturing everything giving you an unfair advantage over other factions.

It would be nice if it wasnt there and the spots/ faction used up for something else in Europe - loving the idea of a couple more English settlements! But ultimately im not fussed about the americas.

Finally - so what if the map looks inaccruate, think how BIG the americas would have to be to keep it in ratio to England - i don;t know the size of America but the land mass of England (not the united Kingdom) would go into the whole land mass of Canada 69/70 times depending on where you choose to cut off the last few miles.
V

**repman** · January 13, 2008, 04:49 AM

America is an interesting strategic option...you can use it or ignore it

German want more german settlements, english more english ones, the ....I do not care about this...

more settlements means more boring siege parties...

repman

**Bosphoran** · January 13, 2008, 10:57 AM

Derdrakken can you ( if you're willing to ) add a region near buraidah too because it is very big( it is baghdad's southern neighbor).

Also will you release this addition for DLV ? Because I don't like Americas too. I usually play as the Turks and if I try to go there sharks and whales can eat my crew before I can even make landfall. If I want to go there I would play colonization for windows, it's lot better than Medieval 2

for colonization

and + rep to you too

**deathmaw** · January 13, 2008, 05:35 PM

wislt i agree the map of america is not greatly historical
it does provide a failsafe just incase you get your butt kicked!

**Mr. Scott** · January 17, 2008, 07:50 PM

you shouldn't mind the americas.

they are just a small bonus that the CA added for a little fun.

Besides if you really wanted more english or german or etc. provinces, then just make another one by modding.

There is a really useful tutorial that really helped me out.

Try it out. Just make sure you backup the files.