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    BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America
    New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies

    Paul Joseph Watson
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    Tuesday, July 24, 2007


    A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

    In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

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    The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors.

    Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities.

    However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story.


    General Smedley Butler, author of the famous quote "war is a racket", exposed the fascist plotters but was subsequently demonized and shunned by the government and the media.

    In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

    "A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

    The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

    Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

    In his documentary film Martial Law, Alex Jones interviews John Buchanan, who was instrumental in uncovering the documents tying Prescott Bush to the financing of the Third Reich. Watch a clip above. The subject is also covered in Alex's upcoming film, End Game, which includes rare video of Smedley Butler's testimony.

    Click here to listen to the BBC Radio 4 investigation.





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    Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California
    by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
    George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.
    Together, they have destabilized California and are on the brink of bringing it a new Reich. With the Schwarzenegger candidacy they have laid siege to America's largest state, lining it up for the 2004 election.
    The Bush family ties to the Nazi party are well known. In their 1994 Secret War Against the Jews, Mark Aarons and John Loftus use official US documents to establish that George Herbert Walker, George W. Bush's maternal great-grandfather, was one of Hitler's most important early backers. He funneled money to the rising young fascist through the Union Banking Corporation.
    In 1926, Walker arranged to have his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush---father of President George Bush I, grandfather of George Bush II---hired as Vice President at W.A. Harriman and Company. Prescott became a senior partner when Harriman merged with a British-American investment company to become Brown Brothers Harriman. In 1934 Prescott Bush joined the Board of Directors of Union Banking.
    The bank helped Hitler rise to power. It also helped him wage war. As late as July 31, 1941---well after the Nazi invasion of Poland---the U.S. government froze $3 million in Union Banking assets linked to Fritz Thyssen. Thyssen was noted in the American press as a "German industrialist and original backer of Adolph Hitler."
    Loftus writes that Thyssen's "American friends in New York City [were] Prescott Bush and Herbert Walker, the father and father-in-law of a future President of the United States." That would be the current president's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, also the former CIA director.
    On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi Germany's banking operations in New York City, which were under the direction of Prescott Bush. The government seized control of Union Banking Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act. The liquidation yielded a reported $750,000 apiece for Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker. The book, The Splendid Blonde Beast: Money, Law and Genocide, goes into exhaustive detail on Bush-Harriman Nazi money laundering. More recently, Michael Kranish covers the same Bush-Nazi relationships in The Rise of the Bush Family Dynasty published in the Boston Globe. Loftus documents that "Prescott Bush knowingly served as a money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union Bank's books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the Bush family until 1951."
    Often ignored are the Bush family's post-World War II dealings with former Nazis. John Foster Dulles, who had worked with the Bush family in the Harriman Company in laundering money for Nazi Germany, was Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of State. His brother Allen became CIA director.
    As Martin Lee documents in The Beast Reawakens, American intelligence recruited numerous top Nazis to spy on the Soviets during the Cold War. Many established connections to the Bush family that had helped finance their original rise to power. In 1988 Project Censored, in its top award, noted "how the major mass media ignored, overlooked or undercovered at least ten critical stories reported in America's alternative press that raised serious questions about the Republican candidate, George Bush, dating from his reported role as a CIA 'asset' in 1963 to his presidential campaign's connection with a network of anti-Semites with Nazi and fascist affiliations in 1988." Investigative reporter Russ Bellant established ties between the Republican Party and former Axis Nazis and fascists.
    In 2000 and 2001 the Columbus Alive published a series of articles documenting further links between Bush, Sr. and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and his own fascist networks in Japan and Korea.
    Karl Rove has parallel ties. The shadowy Rove serves as "Bush's Brain" in the current White House. He is the political mastermind behind the California coup, and is now in the headlines for outing Valerie Plame, the CIA wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. A consummate strategist, Rove may have outed Plame in retaliation for Wilson's failure to back up the Bush claim that Saddam Hussein was buying nuclear weapons materials in Africa. According to some published reports, as many as seventy CIA operatives have been put at risk by Rove's retaliatory strike.
    According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.
    Rove, who has been based in Utah and associated with the Mormon Church, is widely viewed as the chief engineer of the current Bush administration. He and Tom DeLay are attempting to force the Texas legislature to redistrict its Congressional delegations, adding seven sure seats to the Republican column. By controlling the state houses in New York, Florida, Texas and California, the GOP would have a lock on the four largest states in the union, and thus the ability to manipulate vote counts and strip voter registration rolls in the run-up to the 2004 election.
    Rove is a prime behind-the-scenes mover in the Schwarzenegger campaign. On May 1, 1939, a year after the Nazis took control of Schwarzenegger's native Austria, his father Gustav, voluntarily joined Hilter's infamous Strumabteilung (SA), "brown shirt" stormtroopers. This was just six months after the brown shirts played a key role in the bloody Kristallnacht attacks on Germany's Jewish community.
    The Vienna daily Der Standard noted recently that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face." Arnold's father favored a Hitler-style mustache in photos.
    On October 3, ABC News broke the story of Schwarzenegger's 1977 interview in which he was asked whom he admired. Schwarzenegger replied, "I admire Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power. I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."
    To cover himself, Schwarzenegger has made substantial donations to the Los Angeles-based Wiesenthal Center, which tracks down ex-Nazis. Arnold has also renounced Hitler.
    But he has not renounced his friendship with fellow Austrian Kurt Waldheim, the one-time head of the United Nations with known Nazi ties. The book Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography, documents Arnold toasting Waldheim, who had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II, at his wedding to Maria Shriver. "My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy," Arnold said. "But I love him and Maria does to, and so thank you, Kurt."
    On May 17, 2001, Schwarzenegger also met with Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay of Enron at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles. Through the utility deregulation plan signed into law by Pete Wilson, Schwarzenegger's chief advisor, California was destabilized, bankrupting the state government and opening the door for Tuesday's recall election. Lay has been George W. Bush's chief financial backer, and a close associate of Karl Rove's.
    According to Bob Woodward's Bush at War, Bush attended a New York Yankees game soon after the September 11 World Trade Center disaster. He wore a fireman's jacket. As he threw out the first pitch, the crowd roared. Thousands of fans stuck out their arms with thumbs up. Karl Rove, sitting in the box of Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, likened the roar of the crowd to "a Nazi rally."
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    True the source alone does that since what exactly is the point? The sins of the father dont apply to the son as far as Arnold goes, links between the Bush family and Nazis have been dubious ones and please Rove didnt even KNOW his biological father and believed the man who was married to his mother was his father until he was 20 yrs old. But Merry Xmas to you anyway Mansa.

    Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are unreliable sources? lol. whatever man

    it's interesting that you would say that. apparently you didn't know that there all neocons warhawks and 2 of them enjoy wearing military uniforms and outfits to portray a "military strongman" look and appeal. obviously herbert walker taught the same crap to his child wich taught the same crap to his. father bush killed 1.5 million iraqis with bombs and sanctions. son bush killed 650,000. Schwarzenegger has been quoted numerous times for anti semitism racism against blacks support for hitler and strongmen dreaming of being a "saviour" like jesus and a supreme emporer. schwarzenegger is also friends with nazi war criminal kurt wanltheim and said he loved him anyway. his friends and colleagues also detailed how arnold loved to listen to hitler tapes as a youth and do the sieg heil solute. Arnolds entire family was nazi. even after his father died his mother remarried a ss officer.

    and all these people are members of bohemian grove. a group that performs a cremation of care every year in north california where they burn an efffigy of a baby in a large stone owl.

    but merry xmas to you to danzig
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    Would it have been too hard to a) give us a link to the source and b) change the size of the text so it's legible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Would it have been too hard to a) give us a link to the source and b) change the size of the text so it's legible?
    Since Manusa has trouble with little things like facts...http://www.freepress.org/departments...003&strDept=20

    And about them http://www.freepress.org/about.php which explains the article.

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    Are you Mansa Musa with another name? WWII started because of the ****** of the ending with the WWI. The losing countries should have been helped and rebuilt faster. But justifying WWII is madness. Its madness I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbilbo68 View Post
    Nick_Since-1985
    Are you Mansa Musa with another name?
    Euh, NO !

    No I seriously believe Germany had had the right to invade Poland, why not? England and France envaded country's centuries in a row so why go to war when Germany wants its pre WW1 border back?
    Furthermore I find the entire Second World War hypocritical, why go to war for six years after Germany invaded Poland to give it eventually to the Soviets (Poland)??? WTF??? To be honest I would rather live under the NAZI regime then a Communist regime...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_Since_1985 View Post
    Euh, NO !

    No I seriously believe Germany had had the right to invade Poland, why not? England and France envaded country's centuries in a row so why go to war when Germany wants its pre WW1 border back?
    Furthermore I find the entire Second World War hypocritical, why go to war for six years after Germany invaded Poland to give it eventually to the Soviets (Poland)??? WTF??? To be honest I would rather live under the NAZI regime then a Communist regime...
    Would you rather have a Soviet Union mad pissed at the world?

    AND A NAZI REGIME OVER A COMMUNIST ONE? Yes, I'm sure those jews would agree. And the Gays. And the Disabled. And the Slavs. And the communists. And the capitalists. and the democrats. Oh wait, they can't agree they're dead.

    Should talk to my neighbor about those numbers on his shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmund Burke View Post
    Would you rather have a Soviet Union mad pissed at the world?

    AND A NAZI REGIME OVER A COMMUNIST ONE? Yes, I'm sure those jews would agree. And the Gays. And the Disabled. And the Slavs. And the communists. And the capitalists. and the democrats. Oh wait, they can't agree they're dead.

    Should talk to my neighbor about those numbers on his shoulder.
    stalin-40 million

    pol pot-2 million

    lenin-2 million

    chairman mao-60 million

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    wow. Mansa!!! You forgot to say please. And I am saying please stop wasting our time with your crack-pot theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbilbo68 View Post
    wow. Mansa!!! You forgot to say please. And I am saying please stop wasting our time with your crack-pot theories.
    ok mbilbo. could you disprove the fact that bush's grandad worked with nazis rove's grandfather operated a concentration camp and arnold's father was an ss officer? you call them crackpot i'm sure you can disprove them. unless you're just blowing hot air. wich is what we all suspect





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    unless you're just blowing hot air. wich is what we all suspect
    who?

    I know about Arnold's father. I have researched him before. I knew it before you did kiddo. As for the other "facts", I dont think American Republicans are letting Bush set up a Hitler style government here. Please stop OPs. Please
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbilbo68 View Post
    who?

    I know about Arnold's father. I have researched him before. I knew it before you did kiddo. As for the other "facts", I dont think American Republicans are letting Bush set up a Hitler style government here. Please stop OPs. Please
    yeah. about that i don't think part. have you noticed the directive 51's eavesdropping laws patriot acts 1's and 2's military commissions acts and thought crime laws that are being passed? or do you sincerely believe there to fight terrorism. maybe the military commissions act is a crackpot conspiracy theory






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    You forgot the blacks, and the gypsies.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    How about not? Also I think that stalin when it cvame to the subjugation of eastern europe was the lesser of two evils.
    according to exarch I am like
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    we're talking about living under nazi germany and living under communist russia.





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    Communist Russia was just fine when it wasn't Stalin. Stalin and Mao =/= Communist.

    Have we forgotten about Hu Jintao, Deng Xiaoping and other Soviet leaders?
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    i'd still rather live in nazi germany than communist russia. you actually have a chance to live and eat well in nazi germany if you go along with the flow.





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    If your Blonde, Blue Eyed, and can speak german and did i mention you have to be Aryan??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Roy Mustang View Post
    If your Blonde, Blue Eyed, and can speak german and did i mention you have to be Aryan??
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