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    Gather round, boys and girls, and I shall tell you the greatest story on Earth. Of course, I am no Abrahamic shaman preaching in his village's temple atop his hollowed tree, so this is going to involve some historical fact, and I feel well may get a more wonderous story than the one you know!

    Herod was dead, to begin with. There is no doubt whatever about that. The register of his burial was signed by the clergyman, the clerk, the undertaker, and the chief mourner. Scrooge signed it. And Scrooge's name was upon 'Change for anything he chose to put his hand to.
    Old Herod was as dead a door-nail.

    Herod, the client-King of Juidea had popped his mesiah hating clogs in the year 4 BC, according to the Jewish historian Josephus, a much more reliable fellow than whatever charletan put together the Gospel of Matthew. There is no doubt Herod was dead. This must be distinctly understood, or nothing wonderful can come of the story I am going to relate.

    As we all know, as our calender suggests, Jesus was born in the year 1BC/AD... whatever... in Bethlehem in a stable, where he was visited by the Magi. This is just as well, since Jewish tradition held that the messiah would be born in Bethlehem! I mean to say, that if some Carpenter's son from Nazareth wanted to convince a dozen unwashed fishermen of his divinity being born in Bethlehem would be quite useful!

    Fortunately Jesus, or some later placed and aforementioned charletan had just such a literary device available! You see, the Roman Empire required that a census be carried out in the province of Judea, and that every man had to return to their town of birth to register. We are not told why the Roman Empire decided to put such an unnecessarily difficult and logistically impractical condition for this census, but they did. Now, here's the thing, the first Roman census of Judea wasn't until 6 AD - the census of Quirinius. This is as much certain that Herod was as dead as a door-nail.
    Mind! I don't mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of iron-mongery in the trade.

    Anyway, we return to our narrative. Joseph had, in 6AD, to meet the needs of the census and travel to Bethlehem, says the Bible. But there is a twist, you see, in my story. His fourteen year old wife (tasty) Mary was preggers. Up the duff. With child. This caused our friend Joseph no matter of puzzlement because he had not as of yet tupped his pubescant bride.
    Now, you and I may suggest that she had no inclination to be penetrated by some hairy, unwashed Carpenter two decades her senior and had instead had it off with some swarthy stable hand. But no, this girl had balls a plenty, looked her husband straight in the eye and said, "God did it."

    So anyway, Joseph, now with more stress than a man needs, has to transport himself all the way to Bethlehem for a stupid census, and six years back in time, with a pregnant teenage slut in tow. I do not envy the chap.
    But this he did! And he was forced to stay in the 1st century equivelent of a Travel Lodge - a shite encrusted stable. It was probably, actually, built primarily from dried shite, 1st century Jewish building techniques being as they were.

    Now Zombie Heord now held court with three wise men from the East, the magi! The Archbishop of Canterbury himself has recently conceeded these men are pure myth, but they are talking to an undead King on their way to see a time traveling cuckold so let's not pick hairs. To cut a long story short, Herod asks them to report back to him if they find the Messiah so he can praise him himself, but the three wise men receive a dream from some theatrical device and don't. Zombie Herod then, either to make sure he is undisputed King of the Jews, or for delicious, delicious brains, massacres all the new borns in an entire town.
    An overreaction you would think would have been recorded in a single other historical source.

    Merry Christmas.

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    i always figured the 'immaculate conception' was BS
    it's far more likely that soeone else did the deed with mary; or she was raped in her sleep.
    i cant believe ppl still believe in te BS of immaculate conception

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    You cannot rape somebody and not have them wake up, Exarch.

    Regardless, the entire notion of the immaculate conception is likely an invention of early Christians and was probably never claimed by Mary or even Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    You cannot rape somebody and not have them wake up, Exarch.
    What if she was drugged?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    with a pregnant teenage slut in tow.
    Zombie Herod then, either to make sure he is undisputed King of the Jews, or for delicious, delicious brains, massacres all the new borns in an entire town.
    I knew Zombies were real ...
    lolz +rep

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    You cannot rape somebody and not have them wake up, Exarch.

    Regardless, the entire notion of the immaculate conception is likely an invention of early Christians and was probably never claimed by Mary or even Jesus.
    Maybe he meant the kind of sleep you get when your head meets a brick

    Taking the bible or any other holy book serious word for word, is asking to be ridiculed.

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    You cannot rape somebody and not have them wake up, Exarch

    lol
    i shall have to rely on ur expertise on the subject then
    i agree, the whole IC thang was BS
    and besides, there's a lot of similarities with the virgin birth idea and that virgin bireth in the egyptian religion

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    We might as well insert some Rohypnol into the Christmas story for all the truth in it.

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    Haha Good!
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    what is the point of this retarded thread. do you mock God???
    How great is he who gains the world but loses their soul? :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Axum View Post
    what is the point of this retarded thread. do you mock God???
    No. As an agnostic I completely accept the plausibility of the existance of a God or Gods. But I openly mock Christian mythology and those who would literally believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Axum View Post
    what is the point of this retarded thread. do you mock God???
    Superfluous question: the point of this thread was asserting the credibility of one stance above another, for no other reason that the fact that the thread starter believes it.

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    Do you see him mocking God? I don't. Nowhere does he say "God must have raped Mary" or anything of the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Do you see him mocking God? I don't. Nowhere does he say "God must have raped Mary" or anything of the like.
    Our little friend here must believe in the old legend that "Jesus is God", so he doesn't like Ferrets' story because it debunked what he considered as a high standard of holyness, absolute holyness. But fragile enough to be debunked with a simple analysis.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire le Philosophe View Post
    Our little friend here must believe in the old legend that "Jesus is God", so he doesn't like Ferrets' story because it debunked what he considered as a high standard of holyness, absolute holyness. But fragile enough to be debunked with a simple analysis.
    Still, he's not mocking God through Jesus. If he mocked anyone it's Mary and Joseph; slut and pedo, respectively.

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    This would have been better told by a Christian.

    what is the point of this retarded thread. do you mock God???
    It does seem that way. Mockery of God is very common here, unfortunately. May the Lord have mercy on their souls, they don't know what their fate may be. It's not too late for anyone to turn back though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucius Julius View Post
    This would have been written better if told by a Christian.



    It does seem that way. Mockery of God is very common here, unfortunately. May the Lord have mercy on their souls, they don't know what their fate may be. It's not too late for anyone to turn back though.

    What? please keep your mercy to yourself.

    on another note how old are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucius Julius View Post
    This would have been better told by a Christian.
    It's funny how you don't have the response to the actual history that happened, which prove a lot of the Christmas story to be false. You just stick you head in the sand when people tell you.

    It does seem that way. Mockery of God is very common here, unfortunately. May the Lord have mercy on their souls, they don't know what their fate may be. It's not too late for anyone to turn back though.
    Why would we be afraid to mock what we find ridiculous?

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    Boeing,

    I'll reply for him by saying that Herod was not dead when Jesus was being born and that authenticated by a Roman Caesar at a later date, something I have already related to Ferrets54 but as usual you guys will contort everything just to have your own little giggle.

    It is your right to say what you feel and who am I or anyone else to say that you can't so go right ahead. It is what you believe but not what we believe and because of that the young lad gave ample warning the consequences to you and your like should you and others one day soon have to stand before God to account for your mockery.

    In light of what you are saying I can take it that you won't be out celebrating Christmas since it's all a load of balloney? That'll be the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basics View Post
    I'll reply for him by saying that Herod was not dead when Jesus was being born and that authenticated by a Roman Caesar at a later date, something I have already related to Ferrets54 but as usual you guys will contort everything just to have your own little giggle.
    If Herod wasn't dead than Quirinius didn't do his census. If Quirinius did the census, than Herod was dead. It's either or, and not both. The Bible story claims both.
    It is your right to say what you feel and who am I or anyone else to say that you can't so go right ahead. It is what you believe but not what we believe and because of that the young lad gave ample warning the consequences to you and your like should you and others one day soon have to stand before God to account for your mockery.
    Oh, I'm scared of the big bully in the sky. **** him. I don't bow down to anyone or anything.


    Also, one day his noodly appendage will smite you for your mockery. Scared?

    In light of what you are saying I can take it that you won't be out celebrating Christmas since it's all a load of balloney? That'll be the day.
    I get together and give gifts to my friends and family. I don't "celebrate" any religious aspect of it, it's irrelevant to me.
    Last edited by Dayman; December 23, 2007 at 06:44 AM.

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    we dont mock 'god' we mock the christians who subscribe to such idiocy and expect others to share in their delusional fantasies

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